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Dallas Mayor Explains How Texas Open Carry Laws Complicated Thursday’s Shootings

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Dallas Mayor Explains How Texas Open Carry Laws Complicated Thursday’s Shootings

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On CBS’s Face The Nation Sunday, Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings explained how Texas’ open carry laws affected last week’s Dallas shootings. Civilians armed with rifles, body armor, and camo gear took law enforcement’s “eye off the ball for a moment,” he said.

As Dallas police searched for a hidden shooter at a large protest against police brutality, Texans carrying legal rifles immediately became suspects; some of them were taken and questioned by police, wasting valuable time. One man carrying a rifle was mistakenly identified as a “person of interest” and had his picture spread all over social media, instantly becoming the most-wanted man in the country.

“That is one of the real issues with the gun right issues that we face, that in the middle of a firefight, it’s hard to pick out the good guys and the bad guys,” Rawlings said.

 

Photo and video: CBS/ Face The Nation

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31 Comments

  1. Lynda Groom July 11, 2016

    This conclusion certainly seems obvious, however to the gun extremist not so much. Maybe it is just me, but I have not heard the battle cry of what was needed ‘was a good man with a gun’ to change the outcome of the incident.

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    1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth July 11, 2016

      Another dopey dim-witted visual, courtesy of the Goat, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the matter at hand.

      Poor Otto—you’re such a source of comedy-relief. Glad to see there’s one higher function you can carry out.

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      1. Siegfried Heydrich July 11, 2016

        Otto thinks he’s being witty. He’s only half right.

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    2. RED July 12, 2016

      I’m gonna guess you most likely cry yourself to sleep at night as you become unable to continue preventing the obvious realization that Obama & multitudes of minorities are so much more intelligent and successful than you could ever be. I suspect it haunts you day in, day out, and this is the key to your ignorance and sickness. The knowledge you have deep in your heart that knows you’re a complete loser, past the part that pretends to cover what you know to be the truth. And this knowledge is compounded by the fact that even the slight relief your kind of ignorant moron received from insulting others based on their race is slipping away as it becomes both unacceptable and obvious that you’re a damaged worthless piece of trash. Otto, take the first step, admit you’re a moron, they say it can help you recover. Although, personally I think the Con sickness is incurable and makes you terminally stupid.

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  2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth July 11, 2016

    It’s some comfort that someone in Texas is finally realizing that myopia of an imbecile decision to allow ordinary citizens to wallow in a fantasy of being cowboys and cowgirls in the 21st Century, by giving permission to walk around so that they may wander the streets with guns pretending they were Wyatt Earp, or Sheriff Dillon of “GunSmoke”.

    The GOP’s cowardice with regard to looking the NRA in the eye to say no to a dual government set-up allowing for power-sharing and decision-making between Congress and the quasi-government agency called the NRA.

    Ryan, Trump and the rest of the Conservative cabal are to be held up as chief enablers of this childish fantasy forced on America as a result of the NRA’s stranglehold on Conservatives’ rational faculties.

    But this admission may not be enough—the “disease” of gun ownership and willy-nilly usage of it is due to a defective “genetic code” that affects the mental faculties of its victims on a biochemical-psychological level.

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    1. Siegfried Heydrich July 11, 2016

      I think that for most of the gun fetishists, their weapons are a form of Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

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      1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth July 11, 2016

        Another keen conjecture.

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      2. Sand_Cat July 11, 2016

        In simple terms, penis-extenders.

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    2. 788eddie July 11, 2016

      Thank you Aaron. Well said!

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  3. Siegfried Heydrich July 11, 2016

    Soooo . . . how come all those good guys with guns couldn’t stop the one bad guy with a gun?

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    1. TZToronto July 11, 2016

      We won’t hear a single word about that. The Dallas experience is a clear example of what happens when a bad guy with a gun perpetrates his evil deeds in places where good guys with guns are present. The amazing thing in Dallas is that the “good guys” didn’t start shooting each other and that the police didn’t start shooting the good guys. Imagine the carnage in a crowded movie theater (Aurora, CO comes to mind) if dozens of people start shooting at the bad guy–in the dark.

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      1. Siegfried Heydrich July 11, 2016

        Or even better . . . . the Republican Convention floor during the balloon drop.

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        1. Sand_Cat July 13, 2016

          I keep hoping the Secret Service will relent and give the GOPers back their “Constitutional rights” by allowing them to bring their guns into the convention as many of them seem to want to. Now THAT convention might be worth watching!

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          1. Siegfried Heydrich July 13, 2016

            Only if there’s also an open bar . . .

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      2. DEFENDER88 July 11, 2016

        Yup, at the Aurora Theater, imagine 4-5 conceal carry shooters shooting back at the killer.
        Why 5-6 or even maybe 10 innocent people might have been hit by accident but probably not killed.
        Whereas, with no one there to oppose or stop the killer only 80 were shot and only 12 killed.
        Boy that worked out well. You really like those odds?
        Gun Free Kill Zone stupidity.
        Another well meaning liberal idea gone horribly wrong.
        Your pathological fear of guns is actually getting more people killed.
        None of “my” guns has ever gotten up, walked out the door and killed anyone.
        Maybe I just have the laziest guns on earth?
        Maybe they are just too tired since I practice “a lot” and shoot competitions with them weekly?
        The average cop shoots 100rds/yr.(Qualifying) I shoot 12,000 rds/yr(Action Combat Pistol).
        Take a guess who shoots better. And knows combat tactics. And there are a lot more like me.
        Certified/Permitted to Carry, highly trained, willing and ready to fight back to stop the killing.
        But you don’t want me in a venue with you? Blind, dangerous, dogmatic, Ignorance.
        All the mass murders have been done in Gun Free Zones.
        However These Zones ARE working – In favor of the killers that is.
        Holmes searched out a Gun Free Theater.

        As for Orlando, yup another Gun Free Killing Zone – only worse.
        Throw in Columbine, VT, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook, San Bernadino, Orlando, next?

        How bad do you want it to get? Before you have to admit that “certified”(ie trained) concealed carry in most venues is “currently” the best defense we have against the warped killers. The Police (good as they are) cannot get there in time.

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        1. Nigel July 11, 2016

          Have you looked it another way. 1 bad guy with a gun in a dark theater with 5 or more good guys with guns in a theater. With 6 people shooting who can tell who the bad guy is. Highly dangerous situation.

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          1. DEFENDER88 July 11, 2016

            Highly dangerous indeed.
            Even more so if there is no one there to fight back.
            To “me” fighting back beats hell out of cowering under a table or behind a seat, waiting my turn to be shot.
            If “I” am the one there, I will think the guy who is shooting people at random or even in order, ie the one doing the killing will be the one I take out. It is usually the guy who starts shooting innocent people 1st. Usually not the ones trying to run or hide under a table. We train, much like police, to not shoot until you can clearly ID a “Threat” from a Non Threat(ie innocent people). This is not to minimize the difficulty of doing this. Fact it is one of the most difficult things you can try to do. Trying to take out a threat while not hitting innocent people with misses or shoot-thrus, etc.
            Often in low light(why I carry night sights), and (some carry mounted lasers) with everything chaotic and moving.
            But we train that way.
            And the more you are trained the better your chances. That is why I/we train all the time on Competition Combat Pistol Tactical Shooting. Plus it is our sport. And there are more and more of us out there. And 3Gun Competitors can perform the same way. And also know what to do and how to do it. Plus many other competition organizations, USPSA, IPSC, more ie the shooting sports.
            The sport seems to be growing. Last yr we averaged 40 shooters/match.
            This year we are averaging 100/match – IDPA. Same with 3Gun competitions. All Certified Conceal Carriers.
            In my small corner of the world.
            And all these organizations are Nation Wide – except maybe in N.J.
            Look up IDPA and 3Gun Nation on UTube.
            All are Certified Conceal Carry people like me. And shoot rings around Police.
            What is your solution to stop mass shooters in Gun Free Zones?
            Wait for the Cops like San Bernadino, Orlando? They are good but it takes time you don’t have.

            Normally the killing is done by the time they can get there.
            I would go for “Paid Armed Security” but no one wants to pay for that.
            Otherwise, I am carrying my gun, “concealed”. I don’t want to scare people or give away my tactical advantage of the killer not knowing where/who his incoming fire will come from.
            If and when the Police arrive, I will stop, holster my gun and show them my hands.
            We “all” have Certified Permits to Carry and all carry “Concealed”.
            Not your chest thumping red neck with an AR over his shoulder.
            But we will not go into Gun Free Kill Zones – without a gun. We know better.
            How else do we stop this s*it short of the wholesale murder we have now?
            I could live with Armed Security provided but no one wants to pay for that.
            Absent that, “We”(Trained Concealed Carry) are your best chance to survive an attack. ie Fight Back, stop the killing.
            It is not an optimal or perfect solution, but better than cowering in a corner waiting your turn to be shot.
            “Armed” Security provided by the venue would be better.
            I might give up my gun if I know the security provided can “Take-out any threats”.
            Absent that, hell no, I am carrying, or just wont go in. Good luck if someone opens up on you.

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    2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth July 11, 2016

      Right you are. The fallacy of such a juvenile proposition by the NRA has been clearly demonstrated, hopefully, to those lacking critical-thinking skills.
      Unfortunately, the clarity in seeing the obvious consequence of the NRA’s narrow range of vision is confined to a subset of Americans—which largely has no Conservatives within that subset.

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    3. Sand_Cat July 11, 2016

      First of all, it’s highly questionable that a bunch of idiots running around heavily armed at a protest can be called “the good guys.”

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      1. johninPCFL July 12, 2016

        They are according to the NRA. Anybody with a gun is “a good guy” to them.

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        1. charleo1 July 12, 2016

          Exactly! I think the way it works is to the NRA anyone with a gun qualifies as a customer. And like any business, customers are always the “good guys,”

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  4. Nigel July 11, 2016

    Wow, wonder why I didn’t think of that before !

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    1. JPHALL July 11, 2016

      After Viet Nam many police departments did give psych tests. Now days vets are given preference without psych tests.

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  5. mpjt16 July 11, 2016

    What no one seems to acknowledge is that a portion of the countries police are not qualified to be carrying a gun. They have node how to act under stress nor do they have any idea how to de-escalate a situation.When I was in Vietnam, replacements would come in and within a week or two we would see a combat situation. From that we could quickly determine if a soldier was an asset or a liability. If he was a liability (panicked, fired recklessly,…) he was gone back to a basecamp assignment.
    For cops, the vast majority never see a situation where guns are an issue. They go about their patrols and retire with a disability or after their years of service. When confronted with a weapons situation, they can easily panic leading to the murders we have seen.
    Every policeman should have a psychological evaluation that would determine the likelihood of an over reaction in a stressful situation. Without knowing the mental competency of the police, no one will know if their reactions will be appropriate for stressful situations.

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    1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth July 12, 2016

      That’s a very good point. I’ve often wondered whether many policemen have a sense of composure to react in an appropriate manner given the situation.

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  6. 788eddie July 11, 2016

    The NRA: “The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

    How’s that workin’ out for ya?

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  7. bobnstuff July 11, 2016

    A crazy guy shots at the cops and all the other crazy people with their guns run for cover. Sure proves the NRA’s case. The police had guns and it didn’t save their lives. More guns make use safer, right. The shooter did it for no other reason then he was mentally ill. The police and the marchers did nothing to cause this action. Bringing guns to a protest march is also crazy. Had one of them gotten shoot it would have been their own fault.

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