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James And Stan Dissect The Rubio Debacle

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James And Stan Dissect The Rubio Debacle

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In a post-speech phone conversation between New Orleans and Washington, James and Stan expressed amazement at the State of the Union response delivered by Florida senator Marco Rubio, touted as a top contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016.

They were not impressed.

To James, Rubio’s speech demonstrated that the Republicans “are literally, totally out of gas. The [November] election meant nothing, it was the same speech that Romney would have given, the same speech [George] W. Bush could have given, anybody else. They seem to have one speechwriter for the entire party…If it wouldn’t have been for the visuals of wiping the face, sweating and the water… you wouldn’t know… you wouldn’t know anything kind of happened…”

Rubio made Stan think “someone too young got into the Capitol and wasn’t supposed to be there. Then he gets himself caught between these big tall arches in the Capitol and…stole himself some water.”

“They could have had anyone in the world deliver that speech,” James pointed out. “It could have been competently delivered and everything, there was still nothing in there. There wasn’t a thing that anyone could have seen and thought, ‘You know, I think differently about these people.’”

“So their lesson from the election,” asked Stan, “is that you throw Rubio up there and have him mutter some Spanish words?”

“It’s not only that,” replied James. “What that speech told me is that they think people are just looking for more of the same from Republicans. We want more of the same. We want to continue calling Obama a socialist, we don’t care about the climate… there is nothing in there that says this is a party that’s adjusting…”

“Did you miss how many times he said ‘middle class’?” Stan inquired. “This is the change… he spoke some Spanish words and uttered ‘middle class’ repeatedly.”

“Was there a single thing in there that would make you say, ‘Oh, there’s something different here’? It was like, all we [Republicans] need to do is get someone with a vowel at the end of their last name, minus about 30 [years], and give the same speech we’ve always given.”

“And everyone who does theses speeches, whether it’s [Rep. Paul] Ryan, Rubio, you know, they come up with the same stuff,” said Stan. “And it’s just empty.”

James noted that at least Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal should get credit for acknowledging that he belongs to “the stupid party.” But he added, summing up: “I am utterly flummoxed that a party could learn so little.”

Audio of the call is below:

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91 Comments

  1. John A. Meyer February 15, 2013

    We hope voters wise up and get rid of these obstructionist congressmen (and women).
    Let’s hope action happens in the mid-terms.

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    1. Chris Lee February 16, 2013

      We won’t reform Congress until we end gerrymandering. Til then, it’s a buyer’s market for politicians.

      1. plc97477 February 16, 2013

        I don’t know, if they continue getting crazier even gerrymandering won’t help them

        1. Independent1 February 16, 2013

          Let’s hope that at some point some Republicans will wake up to the destruction their party is doing to our country and choose to vote some of these obstructionist legislators out of office.

          1. Michael P February 12, 2014

            Psst (whispers) they know. But all the corporate polluters are deep into their donating pockets of these GOP’s (Gerrymandered Overpaid Pricks).

        2. Jim Myers February 16, 2013

          Replying to plc97477 –

          I REALLY HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT!!

        3. Michael P February 12, 2014

          Here in Florida 70% of the voters are Democrats yet 95% of elected officials are Redumblicans. Gerrymandering is second only to corporate contributions as biggest problems in this country.

      2. morbius777 February 10, 2014

        We won’t reform Congress until we END ALL PRIVATE MONEY IN POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS.

        1. Michael P February 12, 2014

          Especially the Koch brothers and all the other pollution money. These people are killing all of us Americans for another unneeded dollar.

      3. Michael P February 12, 2014

        Very true. Have you seen some of these districts? OMG you would not believe how the GOP have cut it up. Boehner had his district gerrymandered a few years ago otherwise he would have been gone. And now his sorry behind is third in line. Very uncool and disturbing.

  2. adriancrutch February 15, 2013

    Maybe Lindsey Graham could have done the rebuttal,if he wasn’t down at the TATTOO PARLOR getting BENGHAZI inked on his ass;so he’ll never forget it!

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    1. ANN February 15, 2013

      Graham has to make a better image for himself in SC. It’s the bible belt. Has to impress Nikki.

      1. Jim Lou February 17, 2013

        Why should he make a better image? His constituents seem to like him, which to him is all that matters.

    2. Doctor T February 16, 2013

      LG is a bigot.

      1. Independent1 February 16, 2013

        On top of a bigot, Graham is a colossal hypocrite: he’s making an idiot of himself about Benghazi, while he conveniately ignores the fact that the 4 years of Obama’s 1st term were by far the safest for America’s overseas personnel in the past 40 years. Where was Lindsey Graham when there were 12 attacks on American soil during Bush jr’s 8 years in office when more than 3,300 people died? Where was Lindsey Graham during Bush Sr’s 4 years in office when there were also 12 attacks on our foreign offices and 60 people died? Where was Lindsey during Reagan’s 8 years in office when there were 7 attacks and 31 people died not to mention that 241 Marines were killed while sleeping in their barracks in Lebanon too?? Was Lindsey Graham demanding answers from these three GOP presidents?? I doubt it?? And yet he has the nerve to question Obama when there were only 2 attacks during his first 4 years in office with the loss of 4 lives – while there were 32 attacks and the loss of more lthan 3,600 lives during the last 3 GOP presidencies???? What hypocracy!!!!

        1. Barbara February 16, 2013

          Lindsey Graham is enough to turn my stomach. What a disgusting
          hypocrite to be serving in Washington. There is no way he actually
          cares about our country. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in
          the same breath with President Obama or Chuck Hagel.

          1. jazznj February 16, 2013

            WELL SAID, BARBARA!!

          2. lana ward February 17, 2013

            Otraitor is the discusting hypocrite. Every word that comes out of his smelly fly face is a LIE!!

          3. Jim Lou February 17, 2013

            How are you any different?

          4. BillP February 10, 2014

            Lana must be off her meds. You only writes her ridiculous comments when she is not taking her meds.

          5. BillP February 10, 2014

            I believe you mean “disgusting”. I believe that “discusting” is a summer Olympics event.

          6. Jim Lou February 17, 2013

            Just remember that Lindsey Graham is representing his constituents. That isn’t saying too much about his constituents.

      2. lana ward February 17, 2013

        The dems are racists

        1. Michael P February 12, 2014

          That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

          1. Sand_Cat February 17, 2014

            You need to listen to Lana more often, then.

  3. Victor Sindoni February 15, 2013

    CRITICS HAVE SAID IT BEST, REPUBLICANS ALWAYS SING THE SAME MELODY.
    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO MAKES THE SPEACH, SOUNDS LIKE GEORGE BUSH,
    MITT ROMNEY, OR MARCO RUBIO.. THEY KEEP CALLING OBAMA A SOCIALIST,
    A LITTLE BIT OF SOCIALISM IS NEEDED RIGHT NOW. DEMOCRATS CONSIDER
    REPUBLICANS AS PART OF A SUPER WEALTHY DICTATORSHIP.
    EVERYTHING FOR THE WEATHY, AND TO HELL WITH THE MIDDLE CLASS.

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    1. Michael P February 12, 2014

      Please don’t yell. We can hear you.

  4. Alan Kardoff February 15, 2013

    Marco Rubio is the new hope. Some are very impressed.

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    1. Independent1 February 16, 2013

      When your expectations are in the gutter, it doesn’t take much to be a ‘new hope’.

    2. jmprint February 10, 2014

      New hope the the puppet string don’t break!

  5. William Seno February 15, 2013

    All of us learn in school and life, whenever we show wrong thinking, or wrong behavior, we know that we must change. That crowd only knows one note and how to beat a dead horse.

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  6. Katstiles February 15, 2013

    Rubio is building his political career at the expense of Latinos. If the GOP thought they could win elections without the Latino vote they would do nothing about immigration reform or the dream act. Rubio is a hypocrit who can’t admit he wouldn’t have gotten a good education without grants and “Government” assistance to poor students. His mother depends on Social Security but somehow it’s wrong for the rest of America. Rubio you got nothing we need!

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  7. beth February 15, 2013

    ALL REPUBLICANS ARE FUCKING STUPID

    Reply
    1. big_julius February 15, 2013

      Don’t hold back, say what you think!

      1. jimlscotland February 16, 2013

        I think Beth really meant “fucking, fucking” stupid

    2. billbear1961 February 16, 2013

      Corrupt and bigoted, too!

      The handful who aren’t are in the WRONG PARTY!

    3. lana ward February 17, 2013

      ALL DEMS ARE FUCKING COMMUNISTS!!!

      1. Madelaine Ayers Henne February 17, 2013

        Go away Lana! You’re a nasty individual!!

        1. lana ward February 17, 2013

          Beth said all Republicans are fucking stupid. Tell her she’s a nasty individual, coward!!!

      2. stcroixcarp February 10, 2014

        Communism isn’t much of a power in the world any more. lana, you are way behind the times. The current right wing boogyman is the radical islamic terrorists. Take your meds and take a nap.

      3. Michael P February 12, 2014

        Spoken like a true ignoramus!

    4. Jim Lou February 17, 2013

      You are starting to sound like lana ward.

    5. Michael P February 12, 2014

      Please don’t sugar coat it for us. We can handle it!! lmao

  8. Ellie22634 February 15, 2013

    The republicans are on the way OUT in the next election in 2014. I think they shuld keep up the good work and they’ll shoot themselves in their own feet.

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  9. billbear1961 February 15, 2013

    Imagine! They just can’t find an agreeable way to say: “The rich are BETTER than you. Let them do WHATEVER they want! Give them WHATEVER they want! You were placed in this world to SERVE THEM.”

    And—“Vote for us and we’ll SAVAGE the minority group of your choosing, and make it possible for you to boss and slap your wives around with impunity, like men did in the good old days!”

    These people are criminals—and a growing number are just plain INSANE.

    I hope Mr. Obama DESTROYS THEM!

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    1. morbius777 February 10, 2014

      In a nutshell, republican/conservatives/evangelicals believe in hierarchy and feudalism….. and the stupidity of their constituents.

  10. Siegfried Heydrich February 15, 2013

    If Rubio is supposed to be their savior and rising star, they’re in a huge heap o’ trouble. Even without the water ferfluffle, he delivered a C- to D+ speech in every respect.

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    1. Michael P February 12, 2014

      Everybody’s mouth goes dry when you LIE like an SOB!!

  11. BlueAlliance February 15, 2013

    I agree with Stan…..he looked like a kid up there, completely out of his comfort zone. If I were a republican I’d be embarrassed to admit that this guy is going to be the next presidential candidate in 2016. Imagine this kid running our country…..what a joke!

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    1. Madelaine Ayers Henne February 17, 2013

      Please don’t make me imagine that!!

  12. Doctor T February 16, 2013

    That’s why Rubio kept repeating the words “middle class” and sweating bullets. Bought and paid for. He thinks he may stand a chance at his party’s nomination in 2016. Joke is on him!

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    1. Lovefacts February 16, 2013

      I believe it’s called flop sweat. 🙂 Plus, Rubio looks too young to even been out of college let alone the president. IMO, most of the newly elected young Republicans are either lightweights or reincarnations Joe McCarthy or both. Take your pick for Rubio.

  13. Doctor T February 16, 2013

    Which is why he kept mopping his face! Lying fool! Thinks his party is going to nominate him in 2016? Dream on, Rubi!

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  14. Doctor T February 16, 2013

    Hope for what?

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    1. Independent1 February 17, 2013

      The GOP is hoping that Rubio can hoodwink Americans again to the point that they can put another one of their American Mafia gang members back into the oval office which would allow them to get back to really ripping off the taxpayers again. Just like George and Dick did in spades by allowing companies like Haliburton and Blackwater to rampantly defraud the government of billions (maybe trillions). The American Mafia (aka the GOP) is nothing more than a reverse Robin Hood outfit that is hell bent on robbing the poor to feed the rich. They’re really upset that Obama is winding down America’s wars which is really dampening their ability to rob us all for more of our taxpayer cash. (In case you hadn’t noticed, the last 3 GOP presidents spent money like drunken sailors on a credit card (the deficit), and by doing so are responsible for more than 90% of our 16 trillion in debt. Guess why????)

  15. Jennifer Connors February 16, 2013

    Conservatives simply don’t understand that the majority of America has permanently passed them by, renounced them. As a group, they cling to a white, male, southern protestant past and inexplicably believe that if they can only find the right words to express their intolerance for the rest of us they can reform us.

    The rest of us can take hope from the fact that their numbers dwindle daily. Soon they will be nothing but an annoyance to the challenge of building a better future and soon after that they will be nothing but a chapter in the history books. Until then, we need to stand our ground and call out the fear that nourishes them along with the intolerance they practice wherever we see it.

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  16. Aviva Kamin February 16, 2013

    This speech was ridiculous. Sounded like the Repubicans need an overhall. Hope they keep this up.

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  17. LamberthG February 16, 2013

    Why don’t we educate the public instead of using platitudes ourselves? We could do, as Perot did, use charts. We could use intelligible analysis to reveal how the Republi-cannot use Social Spencerism [ so- called Social Darwinism- that slap at him]. We could delve into how they use bait and switch: they claim that they want to give the taxpayer back some of her money that she can use better than the federal government, but really means she ends up with less buying power by paying more for health insurance and so forth. Their medical plans would do that. Call them then the bait and switch party.
    Let’s stand for the living wage-$ 15 an hour for those working for large corporations! James and Stan, why not? Poll about that. Get the economic analysis therefor. We can erase poverty!
    We can take other measures to improve our Great Society based on the New Covenant!

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  18. LamberthG February 16, 2013

    Leroy Gingrich is a bigot against the poor! Social Spencerism = Spencer- Randism [Herbert Spencer and Alyssa Rosenbaum -A. Rand].
    Morgan-LynnGriggs Lamberth [Lord Griggs]

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  19. L. Roy February 16, 2013

    Are their heads up their arses for the warmth, or the view?

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  20. Vernon Justice February 16, 2013

    Not only are Republicans stupid, they think the rest of the ciuntry is stupid too. They are going to try and steal the next election, and they are using State government to ruin the ecnomy.

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  21. ococoob February 16, 2013

    Rubio should learn to “say it, not spray it” in his speech. I thought it was hysterical, and yet, not so funny considering that this is the kind of people we have running this country. God help us!

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  22. plc97477 February 16, 2013

    unfortunately learning anything takes brains

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  23. drron100 February 16, 2013

    The republicans have been confused every since Regan’s trickle down economy tax scheme failed. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and hoping for a different outcome. Unfortuately for the republicans, they keep thinking that if only we gave more money to the rich, the economy will turn around. It just ain’t gona happen republicans. Wake up!

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    1. Jim Myers February 16, 2013

      Replying to drron100 –

      I have to disagree with you. The “GRAND OLD PARTY OF THE WEALTHY” couldn’t care less about anyone but the wealthy.

      If you are wealthy enough, the state of the economy is pretty much irrelevant. After all, the real creed of the wealthy is “I GOT MINE, GO EAT CAKE!””

      However, you are partially correct. They want the 98% to believe that more “WELFARE FOR THE WEALTHY” will improve the economy. After all, IT WILL IMPROVE FOR THE WEALTHY.

      1. Independent1 February 16, 2013

        George Bush did virtually nothing positive for America during his disasterous 8 years in office – however, he did prove one thing without contradiction: trickle down economics is a fairytale of humungous proportions. George gave the rich one of the biggest tax breaks they’d seen in decades and his 8 years in office were the most dismal from the standpoints of job growth and growth of the economy in almost 100 years.

      2. darkagesbegin February 10, 2014

        You are so right. the problem is not the republican party itself or the make-up of the republican party, per se. It is that a handful of the wealthy are trying to buy up every senator and congressman they can and they need the doofus misinformed and bigoted crazies to get that done. And once it is done, there will be no more need for Congressmen or Senators or political parties altogether, because they will dismantle our way of life and put in place their dictatorship.

        They will make us all peons, even the poor schlubs who have a little money and who think by voting republican they might be able to keep it. They are the ones who will be saying “What do you mean I have to serve the Koch brothers? I always voted republican…”

      3. Michael P February 12, 2014

        I find it hard to believe how many low income Americans stand behind the GOP (Gerrymandered Opinionated Party). That is truly incredible.

    2. Michael P February 12, 2014

      We actually did give the rich huge tax breaks in the baby Bush years. During those years we created the fewest amount of jobs EVER. Clinton raised taxes and created over 11 million jobs. Bush slashed taxes and only created 1 million new jobs on his watch.

  24. jstsyn February 16, 2013

    Sad, but James and Stan hit the nail on the head. The empty party.

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  25. Shrapnel5 February 16, 2013

    All the Republicans that signed the pact or swore an oath with Grover Norquist, are trying to live up to the pact they signed. If Mark Rubio is the partys savior then they are in real deep trouble. All that Rubio is trying to do is get all Spanish speaking people to vote for his party, but his party does not realize, just like him that these people may speak the same language, but their heritage, and cultures are different, so once again the Republicans are doing what they do best not finding out about the people they want to vote for them and these people know this and they will not vote for these phonies.

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  26. tampajim February 16, 2013

    They just don’t understand that THEY LOST, get with it and change your direction; Rubio was embarrassing especially to me a fellow Floridian. Rubio looks good but he is a misdirected loser.

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  27. firebirdrancher February 16, 2013

    I understand the concept of having speechwiriters hone one’s ideas, however, it appeared that Rubio’s speech was not just honed, it was totally scripted by someone other than him. He read the whole deal. He isn’t the first R to do that, of course, but he actually looked embarrassed (I think the sweating was a product of saying things to a camera that he really didn’t believe himself) as he hurriedly tried to get through the standard GOP vitriol.

    Back when Reagan began his “Trickle Down (his leg)” empire, the Dems really got shellacked in the polls. We all thought our party was dead, or on life support. To speak well of us, we tried to move our party platform back from the far left to the middle and in doing so, we able to rebuild. We first, however, had to recognize and admit to ourselves that we had strayed too far off center. We didn’t try to find a new way of saying the same things–we actually tried to find out what the American people wanted.

    If the Republican Party wants to get back in the game before going the way of the Dodo, they will have to reconnoiter their current path as the “party of stupid” and look back to the middle. And not just by finding more up-beat ways of saying exactly the same crap. It would be new and different for them, I know, but they may find themselves the newest extinct mammals on this planet if they don’t evolve.

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    1. jmprint February 10, 2014

      All the puppets will be shelved, once they are no longer entertaining.

  28. ludite2 February 16, 2013

    You guys are dead on. Rubio said nothing about the State of the Union. I thought that the election was over. I did see Rand Paul’s offering, and while I don’t agree with him, he gave a contrary view that I thought was the purpose of an otherwise ridiculous waste of time.

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  29. elw February 16, 2013

    What is clear about the GOP is nothing has changed. They are not only the Party of “Stupid,” they are the Party of “superficial.” Just like the king in “The Emperor’s New Clothes” the GOP think words alone will make the difference, but to most everyone else all that is seen or heard is the same old GOP with the same old tired, untrue story.

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  30. JDavidS February 16, 2013

    That pretty well sums it up.

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  31. bchrista February 16, 2013

    People to start with Marco Rubio is NOT a Cuban persay He was brought here as a very young child before the Cuban Revolution and the take over by Fidel Castro and most of the people that fled pre Castro had some money that they took with them before Batista clamped down, as he says he still lives in the same neighbor hood that he and his parents have lived in since they came to the United States, then they had to have money how else could they afford to live in a home worth $650,000 and he has had the home on the market for months and still cannot sell it because the neighbor hood i not rated for that high of a priced home, he is a fucking hypocrite and secondly he is against immigration reform because Cubans that flee Castro’s Cuba only need to reach American shores and they automatically are allowed to stay in the United States and the process for them is easier to stay here while the Mexican, Hondurian, Equadorian, and any of the other Spanish speaking countries are considered immigrants subject to being sent back to their respected countries if caught here with out legal papers, that was a gift given to any Cuban after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion by then Prsident Kennedy, Kennedy had promised the Cubans to back their attempt to try to over throw Castro and then at the last moment he backed off when Kruchev threatened world war if the United States got involved in the Cuban invasion and that’s another story called the Missile Crisis, anyway Marco loves his neighbor so much that he can’t wait to sells his house so he can move to the DC area. Yes I watched his rebuttel and all he did was repeat the same old policy that the Republican have been saying for the last 30 years and not advancing the country, they have no new ideas they just want to keep on milking the same old cow since it’s been so good to them and anyone that tries to help the people get up off their knees is a Socialist, Muslin lover, Communist, or unAmerican, the sad part is that they have so many Red Necks convinced they are helping them is unreal, you know the Cubans have a way of convincing their people of doing the things they want them to do, take for instance although they pay them the lowest wages they can get away with in construction, they get no complaints because at the end of a project the bosses throw the workers a party, of a whole roasted pig,Yuca,Black Beans, White Rice, Salad, and, all the Beer they can drink and the workers go for this sell out, never mind that their family at home get none of this, you see Cubans come from a two Caste system, in Cuba the poor always stay poor and the Rich always control the money, that is the kind of upbringing Marco Rubio believes in and the Republican Party suits him to a “T”,

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  32. Norm Smith February 16, 2013

    Rubio is a light weight, pond skater, who like Palin before him, is far out of his league. Is this the best the GOP can come up with ? If so, they might as well disband or push Rush Lembaugh for 2016.

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  33. bchrista February 16, 2013

    People before you start making fun of Rubio running for President in 2016 remember they also said there would never be a Black man sitting in the White House and we got Obama, I personally would never vote for a Republican much less Rubio but stranger things have happened, someone please correct me if I am wrong but I remember as a younger person the people in Tallahassee, Fla. always complaining about the South getting a raw deal when it came to Washington Politics, back then they had a name for the politicions in Northern Florida I can’t remember what they were called but back then there was always the saying one of these days the South will rise again, well people the South has not risen but the ole boys from the Southern States have finally secretly gotten together and today you have the end results radical Republicans and their offshoot the TeaParty and they are making the country pay for their perceived mistreatment by the North and they learned all of the political dirty tricks and they know if they lose their grip they will be doomed for a long long time and they are helped by conservative Democrats who have been doing the same thing as the Republicans, if ever this country is going to heal and get back to doing the work of the people there will have to be a wholesale house cleaning of both Republicans and Democrats and sad to say I don’t see that happening anytime soon. The Republicans you know who they are, they haven’t tried to hide it but, the Democrats are a different story, they have been sneaky and like the snakes they are, they have been pulling their shit under cover yet always maintaining their true allegience to the Democratic Party, every now and then they show themselves by voting against issues that may effect them, some Democrats may take offense to what I am saying but I’ll call a spade, a spade no pun intended. There is nothing worst than a treacherious back stabbing bastard and we have a few in our party, or a lot of the things the Republicans have pulled lately they wouldn’t have gotten away with if all demos were working together, a good example is that how come when the Republicans passed the law outlawing Unions in the State of michigan and only one Democrat wasn’t there to prevent it, if it was a party thing why didn’t 4 or 5 go to the convention quite convenient wasn’t it, people the only way this country will fall is from within.

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  34. Beaulieu6 February 16, 2013

    I was not impress by Senator Rubio speech he has a lot to learn yet!

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  35. MaryJo510 February 16, 2013

    What I truly do not understand, is that there is any sort of rebuttal at all when our President gives his State of the Union address. Especially when the “best” they have, has the same line of bull that we have heard from all of the bigotted, small-minded, moronic “leaders” of the Republican party. For over 40 years I have voted a bi-partisan ticket, believing that one party in control is not a good thing, but after the last two elections, there is not a Republican worth notice in my estimation. I would love to see a third party form and truly present the American people with an innovative and deliberate approach to reforming the Washington political machine. Mr. Rubio has a very long way to go….

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  36. Beaulieu6 February 17, 2013

    Senator Rubio of Florida has a lot to learn he is a young Senator who must learn from other first.

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  37. latebloomingrandma February 17, 2013

    Personally, I think they should just give up the opposition “rebuttal. ” The POTUS is the only office in the country that ALL the citizens vote for. He ( and someday, she) are Consitutionally required to give to Congress a “state of the union.” Presumably, the losing side doesn’t agree much, but they lost, so the whole rebuttal speech is just redundant anyway. Why waste our time? They just sound like sour grapes. And this goes for whichever party is in power.

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  38. howa4x February 8, 2014

    Problem for the GOP is that Evangelicals and Tea party members only make up 28% of the electorate together, and are canceled out by gospel left and progressives. 72% of the electorate who favor some type of reform. couple that with the war on women, gays and always against minorities, the GOP will face an uphill battle. The influx of migration to southern states has now put them in play for the senate where they were once counted as GOP strongholds. Dr No McConnell is trailing Grimes in the Kentucky race and democrat Nunn leads all republicans in the Georgia race for senate. The tea party may dominate the base and win in the primaries but their harsh views has shunned voters in the general. If Boehner fails to create a political center in the house then hopes for national office grow dim. Eventually the GOP will be a regional party whose strength will be only in the house.

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  39. TycheSD February 8, 2014

    That CNN/ORC poll asks bogus questions, just like almost every other poll on immigration out there. Plus, none of these mainstream media polls ask what people think about the massive increase in LEGAL immigration called for in the Senate bill, and I would guess in a potential House bill. They talk about the illegals because they’re trying to isolate and condemn those opposed to immigration “reform” as bigots.

    Here is the question they asked:

    “Here are some questions about how the U.S. government should treat illegal immigrants who have been in this country for a number of years, hold a job, speak English and are willing to pay any back taxes that they owe. Would you favor or oppose a bill that allowed those immigrants to stay in this country rather than being deported and eventually allow them to apply for U.S. citizenship?”

    Why don’t they ask if people believe that the government will require illegal immigrants to be in the country for a number of years, speak English, have a job and actually WILL pay back taxes? Nobody believes the government will enforce that. Plus, most people don’t think it’s realistic that illegals will be rounded up and deported en masse.

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  40. Dominick Vila February 10, 2014

    The reason Speaker Boehner is shelving Immigration Reform is because he, and every GOP leader/strategist, understand that endorsing and passing that legislation will destroy their chances to win control of the Senate in 2014. With the possible exception of abortion, and gay issues, there is nothing that enrages “conservatives” more than illegal immigration. Republicans are not about to commit political suicide before a midterm election they believe they can win.

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  41. jmprint February 10, 2014

    Why are all these postings listed as a year ago?

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  42. jakenhyde February 10, 2014

    I want to see a video of Graham and Marcus Bachmann dancing together. They’d make such a cute couple.

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  43. howa4x February 10, 2014

    Boehner is the champion of the small house districts that form the backbone of his caucus. This is where the GOP has the most strength and where the biggest rejection to immigration reform lives. His members don’t have to run in statewide elections and the GOP senate members already covered their collective asses by having it pass there so it’s not an issue and won’t be till 2016. Boehner knows this. So it is not in his best interest to do anything now.

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  44. James Bowen February 10, 2014

    No, it is not just right-wingers that oppose amnesty and increased immigration. Moderates oppose it as well. And Americans overall, as far as they are engaged on this issue, oppose it. Polls that purportedly show support for it are often pushed by interests who stand to gain from more immigration. There are also polls, such as those by Pulse Opinion Research, that show the opposite. Indications outside of polls show a public that is very hostile to amnesty, citizenship for illegals, and expanded immigration. These other indicators include constituent feedback to Congress (overwhelmingly opposed) and web visitation.

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