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New Jersey just received its ninth credit rating downgrade since Chris Christie became governor. How many would it take for him to sit out the presidential race? Ten? One hundred? Is there any point at which a record to run on becomes a record to run away from? For some candidates, the answer to that appears to be a solid no. Even when failure can’t be spun as anything but failure.

Former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, for instance, lost his bid for a third term in 2006 by a spectacular 17.4 points. That’s not a strong argument for electability, but it didn’t shake his confidence. He not only ran for president in 2012, he won Iowa and 10 other states during the Republican primary season. And now he’s running again.

Several Republicans with equally awkward backstories are brazening it out this year despite the dubious value of promising to do for America what they did for their state or company. They, of course, don’t see it that way — a disconnect that led to a tense exchange recently when Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard from 1999 to 2005, met the Washington press. In particular, one skeptical Carl Leubsdorf of the Dallas Morning News.

“You have a mixed record, to be charitable about it. A very controversial record,” Leubsdorf told Fiorina at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast. “What is it that you have that would enable you to perform this very difficult job?”

“In business, the numbers and the facts are clear,” Fiorina began, but Leubsdorf interrupted: “The facts aren’t clear. They kicked you out. But you said you laid the basis for future success. So that’s a mixed record.”

A CNN investigation of Fiorina’s HP tenure concluded that she was “a deeply polarizing figure” who displayed questionable management skills as she presided over “layoffs, leadership transitions, and a controversial merger with Compaq” that created an “ugly feud” with the Hewlett and Packard families. She turned up on several lists of worst tech CEOs.

Fiorina nevertheless jumped onto the national political stage. In 2008, she was an economic spokeswoman for Republican presidential nominee John McCain. In 2010, she was the GOP Senate nominee against popular California incumbent Barbara Boxer. And now she plans to announce a presidential bid on May 4.

Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal is another Republican with a controversial record — so much so that some fellow Republicans have attacked him publicly for budget shortfalls, spending cuts, financial gimmickry, and allowing his fiscal policy to be dictated by a national anti-tax lobbying group, Americans for Tax Reform. Two recent polls put Jindal’s job approval rating in the high 20s, but he continues to prepare for a national race and recently announced he had “snagged” the endorsement of Duck Dynasty star Willie Robertson.

And then there are outliers like Ben Carson, retired pediatric neurosurgeon, and Donald Trump, unretired and unrepentant attention-monger, who don’t even have the political experience of a Fiorina.

Christie is in a category by himself. Once a key national player, he now awaits indictments related to Bridgegate, the paralyzing multiday 2013 traffic debacle apparently orchestrated by his close aides as political revenge against a Democratic mayor. Christie himself is not expected to face charges. But his explanation for what happened — that he was too trusting and too willing to delegate responsibility — does not inspire confidence in his management abilities.

His state is in a “weak financial position,” according to Moody’s, and Christie himself scored a career low 38 percent approval rating in a new Quinnipiac University Poll. Nationally, the appeal of his rude, in-your-face political style has faded as voters try to envision it transplanted to the White House. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush and Wisconsin governor Scott Walker, meanwhile, are usurping the affections of the GOP establishment set.

So far Christie isn’t folding. Instead he is trying to pick up the straight-talk torch from John McCain with four detailed policy speeches this spring on entitlements, defense, taxes, and energy. “These are the truths you all know in your gut,” he said in the first one as he suggested hikes in the eligibility ages for Social Security and Medicare and reduced benefits for affluent retirees. History suggests this is not a recipe for political popularity.

What about the Democrats? I can hear you thinking it. So far there’s an official field of one, and while she has striking vulnerabilities, she also has much experience and many selling points. The other Democrats making noises about running are political veterans with defensible records, as are most of the dozen-plus Republicans in the 2016 race or seriously considering it.

The operating principle for the rest seems to be, “why not?” By this time next year, that question will be answered.

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Award-winning journalist Jill Lawrence is a nationally syndicated columnist and a contributing editor to U.S. News & World Report. She also contributed to The Surge: 2014's Big GOP Win and What It Means for the Next Presidential Race (2015). Lawrence has discussed political and policy developments on television, radio, and many other media outlets. She was an adjunct professorial lecturer at American University in 2014, teaching on the relationship between politics and the media.

Lawrence has covered every presidential campaign since 1988, as well as historic events such as the Three Mile Island nuclear accident, the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress, the Clinton impeachment, the Florida recount, and the 1993 and 2009 battles over health reform.

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  1. Dominick Vila April 23, 2015

    Every American has the right to run for elected office, regardless of their convictions or goals. The problem with a large number of the interminable Republican presidential field is that most of them continue to embrace and promote policies and concepts that are inconsistent with the aspirations of mainstream Americans. From religious nuts like Huckabee and Santorum, to Cold War era mentalities like Rubio’s on the Cuban rapprochement issue, most of the Republican candidates for the 2016 election are out of step with most of us want.
    The main expectation for most of us does not include the advancement of subliminal concepts, or isolationist policies. We want to hear proposals to achieve sustainable economic growth and job creation; we want to hear believable proposals on how to eliminate budget deficits and accumulation of debt; we want to hear proposals on how to extend the solvency of Social Security and MEDICARE; we want to hear solution to improve the ACA that go beyond repeal; we want candidates willing to address the issues of financial inequality and illegal immigration without engaging in the usual bickering; and we want to hear what our candidates have in mind to keep us safe.

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    1. 2010HDSTGLIDE April 23, 2015

      Well said.

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      1. Leftout April 23, 2015

        We are all tired of mediocrity, so why are we reaching into the past for solutions . Only fresh ideas are needed or a management style that chooses competent associates to carry out plans for all Americans. Jim Webb, ex gov Virginia seems to be a good alternative, or Martin oMalley from MD. Even some republicans are contenders, bury the silly divisiveness And party labels. Seems democratic men, nor women have the real strength to go against Hilary annd bring in fresh ideas. tyranny at its beginnings???

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        1. BOC April 23, 2015

          Unlike the GOP crowded field searching for the right answers in a house of disarray, your two suggestions know Hillary is the candidate of choice for 2016. This is the year ]2016] of the women. I don’t think and many within their party is not too kean on Carly Fiorina as the GOP’s answer either.

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          1. Leftout April 23, 2015

            There are more than two qualified people that are out there that can run for office and great managers and leaders. Their is something terribly wrong when others are not even to show interests . No one person or group of cowardly politicians have this power. It can not be allowed to begin not continue. For this reason alone , we should support anyone that can bring good ideas forward, no one most be intimidated, for if intimidation is substantiated, then our great system has been corrupted and those responsible must be held to harsh condemnation.

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          2. Independent1 April 23, 2015

            Unfortunately, I would have agreed with your comments 40 years ago, but not today. Politics have changed since Reagan was in office, and no matter how qualified a Republican maybe, turning the country over to them is inviting disaster. That can be seen in places even today like Indiana. Mike Pence ran on a platform that sounded like he was going to consider bipartisanism and truly be open minded. But just like with every Republican since Reagan, once in office it all becomes about ideology. And even though in office a very short time, Pence’s approval rating has fallen 17 points in the past two months, because just like every Republican – they cannot be trusted to keep their word; and so once in office – it becomes all about doing everything they can to implement the conservative idiocies of – discrimination, false religious dogma, trickle down fantasies, cutting budgets and taxes to funnel money into the pockets of the already wealthy and on and on. Sorry, but two equally qualified people – are not the same – it depends on which political ideology they really represent. It’s clearly BUYER BEWARE!!!

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          3. BOC April 24, 2015

            Who are they and where are they?

            How can they (GOP) be effective leaders of this country?
            Most importantly, based on the past conservative administrations, can they be trusted or are they a carry-over from the last liar horror show?

            The GOP was asleep at the wheel regarding political candidate development and grooming process. I can recall during the Reagan Administration when this was a major
            concern in the Democratic party; thank God they addressed it successfully.

            What happened to the GOP, would have been the same fate for the Democrats, excluding the tea party debacle they find themselves in the same situation without a solution for the divisiveness that abounds in that party. There are a whole lot of political views and philosophies running rampant within,
            without a moral compass.

            The GOP must clean their own house before they can be allowed to manage and/or clean someone elses.

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          4. BOC April 24, 2015

            I responded but it did not post.

            In short, who are the,more than two qualified people? The GOP failed at grooming candidates for the future and that’s what we been seeing since Bill Clinton.

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          5. Leftout April 24, 2015

            It did post somewhere. I did see it.. I did mention two names, and many more may have surfaced, if the Machine that picks candidates does not intimidate.,a case in point is Jeb Bush, some political observers think that big money will bring him home , not so, his polices are not in tune. There are many well educated on the repubs side, that are capable of putting together a group of experts to run this country. Even the great Ambass. John Huntsman is back from China. He was truly well qualified, but. Carly has not yet declared, but is a good organizer to get the right staff in place. If Hilary gets in I hope she stays clean, maybe Bill is the bad influence. But even he caved to the republican pressure to govern properly after 1994 elections . Machine based politics is not the American way, even Ms Hilary wants an amendment to dismantle PACs and big, money , but it seems Hilary has credibility problems at the moment.

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          6. BOC April 30, 2015

            I don’t see Hillary as a liability like the GOP tries to portray her. Talk about credibility problems and trust, that be the GOP, for sure.

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          7. Leftout April 30, 2015

            Hillary may duck these obscene money transactions, but there has got to be someone better from all / no parties. Perhaps someone should just be hired by both parties for a couple of years only. The repubs are sincere, care at times. One may not agree with all of their But any one who changes their position for votes is out in my book. They are soooo obvious when they start pandering, it means they were not sincere in the first place. No convictions , no votes.

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        2. Dominick Vila April 23, 2015

          I expect Jimm Webb and Martin O’Malley to be on Hillary short list of running mates. I would not be surprised, however, if she chooses someone from the Midwest or the West Coast.
          Her statements thus far are all focused on the future. The fact that she is not a young Cuban-American wet behind the ears does not mean she can’t look ahead, and offer solutions to problems important to the average American. It is still too early to tell, but I expect her to do very well, regardless of all the negativism and ruthless attacks she is going to endure.

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    2. BOC April 23, 2015

      Dominick:

      You are spot on, as long as you don’t link “religious nuts” with born again Christians who aren’t a part of ‘mans’ religion.

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  2. Eleanore Whitaker April 23, 2015

    Are these guys “really?” running? Or, are they just the front men for the Koch back room presidency? Who spends nearly $900 million on the GOP and doesn’t expect $900 million in payback?

    Figure it out for yourselves. What the Koch boys want is to buy the government, reform it to their corporatized specifications and turn the American worker into a form of autocratic, oligarchic domination. Who’s fooling whom here?

    The problem in society today is that the knee jerk expectation is that only a middle aged, white GOP male has ANY qualifications and he’d better be from the red states or else they don’t get their freeloading, trough feeding from federal taxes.

    So no. No one up north wants to see all of our hard earned tax dollars continue to be wasted on red states overly reliant on relic polluter industries that cost the rest of us.

    As for Jim Webb, another Virginia shill. Virginia gets the lion’s share of all military industry defense dollars. Why? And just how many more generations of mini Rambos do we have to create to keep endless wars going so Virginia NEVER has to learn to get out of the war industry?

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    1. ralphkr April 23, 2015

      Slight correction, Eleonore, but no businessman would spend $900 million in hopes of getting $900 million back BUT will spend that kind of money with expectation of getting from five to ten times as much back within a short period of time.

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      1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

        Watch it, GIRLY HAT, if you so much as offer a “slight” correction on what she said, Lenora will scream, for everybody to hear, that you are a pig of a man (hates men, the poor wretched woman) and that your nuts and penis are minuscule (it seems that she nowadays inspects different men’s penises during the night).
        Poor woman, my ex-wife Lenore, such a slob….

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      2. Eleanore Whitaker April 24, 2015

        True. But, isn’t the whole idea of ROI on such a massive election investment to own control of all US legislation? See how dangerous this is getting?

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  3. BOC April 23, 2015

    The GOP has fielded a ‘B-Team’ since W. Bush, who got in the white house under controversial terms e.g. Gerrymandering, Hanging chads, Ohio Voting machines debacle, SCOTUS meltdown, just to name a few.

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  4. Alvin Harrison April 23, 2015

    CLERK: UHH..WHICH CANDIDATE WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY SIR…KOCH BOTHERS: WE’LL TAKE THEM ALL THANKS!

    OK…You want to buy a government. But what to do? Which candidate do you buy…what if he loses? The Koch brothers, the siblings I love to hate, have elegantly removed that dilemma. They have stated they will buy them all. Even I have to admit it is a stroke of genius. Expensive yes, but it does ensure you have picked the winner.

    The buying of our leaders has reached a new low/high. As the article below details the Koch brothers have decided to take no chance that they will not be able to exert their influence on the Republican candidate for President in 2016. They have decided to back the 5 frontrunners and as the other 4 losers fall by the wayside during the primaries, they will still have a horse in the race. This is a losing proposition if you are gambling….not so much if the payoff is so huge. To have the winner in your pocket….this, for them, is a small investment. Winning in this game means you can control a country for 4 years. Just think of that means to a greedy corporate 1%er. It is his wet dream.

    These are not stupid people, so to spend 900 million to do this, has to be worth the investment. They have been maneuvering for years to make this possible…changing laws…buying the right influence. For us, however, this is our worst nightmare. The final nail in the coffin that is holding our freedom. There will be no coming back if this comes to pass. If these boys control the House, the Senate, and the President, they can use the next four years to pass whatever laws they like to seal our fates. This is a real life version of Armageddon for the people of the United States. If you think things are bad for us now…You can say goodbye to your freedom, any control on the banking and monetary system, and complete destruction of the middle class and a widening of wealth inequality like you could not have imagined…and there will be nothing to stop them. Literal slavery will be back with a vengeance. Being white will not help you…only green… and in a quantity more than any of you reading this can hope to attain.

    We have ONE chance to stop them and one only. We cannot let a Republican win in 2016. PERIOD. I do not care if you HATE Hillary Clinton, she is not my favorite person either. But… she is the great “white” hope, so to speak. There is nothing she could POSSIBLY do that would be worse than these brothers and their cronies controlling the country. If we let this happen it will be our faults. They have already shown their hand and told us they are going for the gold…they already have most of it. They have shown us what they will do if they are not stopped…they have priors. Give these foxes the key to the hen house and see what happens….it will not be pretty for the USA….or the world. I feel like one of those crazy old preachers in the movies with the sign saying “Repent…the end is near”. Well …if any of their candidates are elected we can change the sign…”THE END IS HERE”

    http://www.usatoday.com/…/charles-koch-republican…/26142001/

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    1. joebatch April 23, 2015

      @alvin_harrison:disqus,You’ve done the easy part in showing us on this site with your post just the future holds for this country and us. Your crystal ball has forewarned about the ‘future’ we 99% face if the horsemen and women of evil,hatred,bigotry and sheer naked greed is allowed to take over (not be elected) this country. And it’s not a pretty sight it’s downright scary if we allow the fires of Hell to be rained down on us because of so many who are so full of hatred for others and are just so out of touch with what is happening (low information) to us now and what will happen to us if this comes to pass. I like what you wrote about ‘being white will not help you’. Just when will certain people wake up and see that they are nothing but useful tools and pawns in their quest for more money and power by these ‘people’. Why are they so content and happy to be low information sheeple and willing to swallow what they are being fed with lie after lie? When will they let go of their ignorance and bigotry and realize that a boat no matter if it’s painted black or white if it is full of holes and you are in it in the middle of a large body of water the color of the boat will not save them? You sir must find a way to spread the word as you have done here,all tho why so many don’t see this or want to see this at this point is beyond me. You along with a few others just might be able to get through to enough thinking people to help us avoid the coming Armageddon if they come into power. I hope you try and I will show your post to as many as I can to get them to see the light because you Nailed It. Thank You.

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      1. Alvin Harrison April 23, 2015

        AMERICANS ARE LISTENING… THEY WANT CHANGE

        Joebatch…I am doing more than the “easy part” I am a musician writing, producing and recording “socially relevant music” as The 99. Right now we have a song called Rough Times in America climbing the charts in America….It is a song with a message that speaks DIRECTLY to the issues we all face a Americans. And Americans are listening and showing their support. Our first job is to get the message out there.

        Rough Times in America jumped 8 spots to number 26 on the FMQB AC chart this week. I have tried to analyze why and can come to only one conclusion…Americans are hearing the message and like it. The stations that are play ing the record are playing it a lot! Many close to 50 times per week. The only way a station will play a song that many times is if people are calling in and requesting it.

        So…Hopefully we will continue our march up the FMQB charts and use the momentum to further our message. If you have five minutes and want to help, call your local station and ask, no demand they play the record. Everyone asks…”well what can I do to make a change in the country”….well you can do nothing….or do something. Do nothing and leave it to everyone else, or do something easy to start. Make the call, support us. This getting a message out through a new venue, music and radio, can reach a LOT of people.

        I am not asking anyone to go out and march…volunteer for anything…JUST LOOK UP A NUMBER AND MAKE A CALL…and I will make it easy…here is a website ( http://radio-locator.com ) where you can put in your local station’s call letters (like KATF) and the site will give you the number to call….

        Or…you can do nothing…
        Hear the song: http://www.the99online.com
        See full chart: http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16693

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        1. joebatch April 23, 2015

          @alvin_harrison:disqus, I looked up your video on Youtube,,It’s There,Yea.!! I;m even more impressed. I will call some of the radio stations here in Las Vegas to see if they have heard your song and will they start to play it. I don’t hold much hope because anything that smacks of intelligence and not about ‘vegas baby’,gambling and the so called upcoming ‘fight of the century’ goes over their heads. Booze,gambling,sex and apathy are the rule here. I’m very Impressed with your song and will listen to it often along with doing my part as you suggested. You are truly a very Wise and Talented Man.

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          1. Alvin Harrison April 23, 2015

            Jobatch…We must all do what we can…An avalanche is made of small snowflakes all moving in the same direction….we do not have change the world by ourselves …we just have to do our part. Thanks for the compliments…but I am doing this because I have no choice…not doing anything will mean the end of life in the USA as we know it..I love my children and their children too much to stand by when they are under assault by those that would take America from them. It is time to stand up and be counted.

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          2. joebatch April 23, 2015

            @Alvin Harrison, I’m with you.

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    2. darkagesbegin April 23, 2015

      Who knew that the richest and best country in the world could be bought for a mere $1 billion dollars. What a bargain! Heartbreaking that the republicans would sell so cheap…

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    3. plc97477 April 23, 2015

      The fact that they can actually do this shows me at least that the tax rate on the 1% needs to be much higher.

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    4. Dominick Vila April 23, 2015

      The results of this election will reveal whether or not we are still a democracy, the land of the free, or a plutocracy. At first glance, the outcome of this election, considering issues like this, the horrendous GOP record, and their lack of vision, should be clear to everyone. Unfortunately, that may not be enough to overcome the effects of the greatest disinformation machine since the Third Reich, and the effects of ignorance and prejudice in some parts of the country.

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      1. Alvin Harrison April 23, 2015

        Sir…we do not need a first glance. The GOP have already proved that they are lackeys of the religious right and have been bought and paid for by the Corp./1%. Should they gain control of the House, Senate and White House, the United Staes of America will be doomed.

        They will mold this country into one where their are 2 classes the rich and the poor…and I mean this literally. Those with money will run this country period. It will not be the old model of slavery, they have improved it over the last 150 years. The new model includes all people that are not “green” among the slaves. I know this sounds extreme, but believe me it is not.

        Here are a few of the things you can expect immediately if the Corp 1% run this country

        New laws that restrict your rights as citizens. The use of your children to fight for and die to protect the corporate 1%’s assets world wide. A slow conversion to a police state (to protect you). New laws to restrict voting etc so that it becomes impossible to turn back from this precipice.

        You may hate Obama, but he is the ONLY thing standing in the 1%s way to the complete dismantling of our Democracy. Why, because although they have tried, they know a Democratic president will veto anything to extreme. With that impediment removed their will be nothing to stop the corp1% from imposing their will. I am not sure Hillary Clinton will have the will to fight them even if she is able to survive their tremendous media machine.

        As I see it we have one chance and one only…Elizabeth Warren….and I believe she has determined the fight is already lost…she refuses to run. I however, will go to my grave fighting these people that would take my country. If I don’t I didn’t deserve to call it mine.

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        1. Dominick Vila April 23, 2015

          I have no idea what made you think that I hate Obama, or that I don’t understand the implications of a GOP controlled White House, Congress, and a Supreme Court with a majority of “conservatives”
          I am an unabashed Obama supporter, and I plan to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016, precisely because I am convinced of the dangers of having the GOP in full control of our three branches of government.

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          1. Alvin Harrison April 23, 2015

            I am sorry…I actually did not mean “you” in particular….LOL …I meant in a general sense….as in speaking to those in the forum to whom that observation might apply …but I can see the confusion because I was answering your comment and my sentence structure was sloppy, so unclear…but honestly did not mean YOU, Dominick Vila….again I apologize for the confusion.

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          2. Dominick Vila April 24, 2015

            I appreciate the clarification, especially because I share your concerns and opinions.

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          3. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            Here’s something that bothers me about what you and those who agree with you are saying:

            Granted that a GOP-controlled government would be highly undesirable, their control of the Executive and both houses of Congress can come about only because of the vote, i.e. the will of the electorate.

            If you defeat that vote, either by revolution or some other tactic, aren’t you saying that the will of the people doesn’t count and that the will of you and those who think like you must prevail, even though it is by definintion anti-democratic?

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          4. Dominick Vila April 24, 2015

            I don’t recall saying anything about revolution. I believe we have to do something about the influence of money in American elections and policy making. I also think the time has come to reconsider the electoral college concept. Candidates should be elected based on who wins a majority of the popular vote, rather than the old concept of elitists advancing their interests over the working class.
            We don’t need a sequel to the embarrassing 2000 election, when the loser of the popular vote was selected President thanks to the manipulations of his baby brother and some supporters.

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          5. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            Your rhetoric leads me to believe that you will do anything, including revolution, to right what you consider to be social wrongs.

            That said, I agree that abolishing the Electoral College is a must. It exists only because the elitist framers of the Constitution considered it too dangerous to allow the hoi polloi to determine the nation’s leadership.

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    5. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

      It’s thinking like that, if indeed it IS the Crotch Brothers’ thinking, that got European and Latin American elites dumped from power and executed.

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      1. Alvin Harrison April 24, 2015

        They will declare “let them eat cake” one too many times and even their supporters on these forums will jump ship….because they are down here in the hold with the rest of us….they have just not realized the ship is sailing them off into slavery yet.

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  5. FT66 April 23, 2015

    It is not funny but republicans are making the rest of us laugh. It is the entertainment of its kind GOP started back 2012, a field crowded of kumbaya contenders, regardless of having something to run on or not. The good laugh we had in 2012 from: Mr. nine, nine, nine; Mr. Ooops, Mr. Corporations are people my friends, etc. etc.are still fresh in our minds. They have cut down numbers of debates, bless them but what I am asking myself, where are they going to get a stage which can be used by more than a dozen contenders during debates? Why have such a big number while you are looking for only one person? If it is all about democracy, such democracy of showing craziness, doesn’t look good and attractive in the eyes of many.

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  6. Neal Miller April 23, 2015

    What about one of the most corrupt woman on the democrat ticket running for president.

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    1. ATC333 April 23, 2015

      How about a little documentation on your claim? Prove it or forget it.

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      1. CPAinNewYork April 23, 2015

        Hillary Clinton arranged Vince Foster’s suicide and stole investors’ money in the Whitewater scandal. She screwed up Benghazi by ignoring the agency’s pleas for security.

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        1. latebloomingrandma April 23, 2015

          Old false news.

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          1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

            grandma:
            It is YOU, dear, who is “OLD” and “FALSE”; not what CPA said.

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          2. Sand_Cat April 23, 2015

            Sorry, Louie. You may not be old, but false is a great description of what you said, and crazy and delusional are good descriptions of what the CPA said.

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          3. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

            Sandy: Tell Dependent1 to stop giving you “thumbs-up” on each and every time you “answer” my posts.
            Apparently, or should I say I AM SURE, Dependent1, still licking his wounds from his encounters with me, can not bring himself to keep fighting me/arguing with me DIRECTLY. What a COWARD this guy Dependent1.

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          4. latebloomingrandma April 23, 2015

            Actually, I’m not that old. I am a grandmother, have gray hair,and read a lot. I know crap when I read it.

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          5. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

            Yep, it takes crap to know crap ….
            LOL !!!!

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          6. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            Independent1 just dumped a big load of it on us.

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        2. Independent1 April 23, 2015

          You really need to get your facts straight before you make comments. First of all, Hillary had no responsibility for protecting the Benghazi operation because it was not a consulate under the State Department. It was a CIA operation under the Defense Department. Stevens was using it as a consulate to provide cover for the CIA.

          Yes, Hillary initially took the blame for it because the Administration was trying not to expose the fact that the office was really a CIA headquarters. But just like Cheney’s group outed Valarie Plame and a couple CIA agents got rubbed out – Issa’s insistence on keeping the pressure on Benghazi forced the Director of the CIA to admit it was his department that was responsible for security which they tried to do and 2 of their agents died along with Stevens.

          But that aside, it was Stevens himself who refused the extra security – Hillary NEVER REFUSED to provide security for the office because in the first place, that wasn’t her responsibility.

          See this and really check on your facts before you make silly posts:

          Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say

          CAIRO — In the month before attackers stormed U.S. facilities in Benghazi and killed four Americans, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens twice turned down offers of security assistance made by the senior U.S. military official in the region in response to concerns that Stevens had raised in a still secret memorandum, two government officials told McClatchy.

          Why Stevens, who died of smoke inhalation in the first of two attacks that took place late Sept. 11 and early Sept. 12, 2012, would turn down the offers remains unclear. The deteriorating security situation in Benghazi had been the subject of a meeting that embassy officials held Aug. 15, where they concluded they could not defend the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi. The next day, the embassy drafted a cable outlining the dire circumstances and saying it would spell out what it needed in a separate cable.

          “In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover,” said the cable, which was first reported by Fox News.

          Army Gen. Carter Ham, then the head of the U.S. Africa Command, did not wait for the separate cable, however. Instead, after reading the Aug. 16 cable, Ham phoned Stevens and asked if the embassy needed a special security team from the U.S. military. Stevens told Ham it did not, the officials said.

          Weeks later, Stevens traveled to Germany for an already scheduled meeting with Ham at AFRICOM headquarters. During that meeting, Ham again offered additional military assets, and Stevens again said no, the two officials said.

          “He didn’t say why. He just turned it down,” a defense official who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject told McClatchy.

          Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/05/14/191235/amb-stevens-twice-said-no-to-military.html#storylink=cpy

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          1. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            Independent1:

            Something doesn’t make sense here, because it’s not in Hillary Clinton’s nature to admit anything, much less to take the blame for something that, according to your narrative, she could easily defend.

            Finally. why would Stevens refuse reinforced security and give no reasons for doing so?

            Your narrative is too “pat.” Why hasn’t it come out before this in the newspapers and other media? I’m highly suspicious of what you wrote, just as I’m highly suspicious of Hillary Clinton.

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          2. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            You don’t understand the Obama Administration trying to cover up the fact that Benghazi had all along really been a CIA detachment to try and prevent terrorists from tying the folks working there to being CIA operatives?? Why is that? You are aware are you not? That some CIA operatives were killed simply after Cheney’s bunch of hoods outed Valerie Plame so terrorists put 2 and 2 together with respect to people overseas that Valerie associated with.

            Like so many American’s you’ve eaten up all the lies that Faux News and Darrel Issa concocted about the event which put a lot of people’s lives at risk associated with Benghazi that made the White House including Clinton scramble to try and covering things up. When are people like you going to realize how dangerous and devious Faux News and people like Issa are???

            See these excerpts from an article that has the CIA trying to figure out how to respond to the idiotic fervor of Faux News and Issa blowing this incident totally out of proportion. (And Remember there were 10 Benghazi’s during just Bush’s 8 years with no one making a big issue about anyone one of them when more than 70 people were killed):

            From the Washington Post:

            Morell’s most intriguing comment, though, was about the role played by former CIA Director David Petraeus, who got the talking points saga rolling when he briefed the House Intelligence Committee on Benghazi and then promised a summary that members could use publicly. Petraeus wanted to cite warnings the agency had made about Libya prior to the Benghazi disaster that left four people dead. Initially, the director’s points were duly included, but Morell penciled them out.

            “I saw the language as self-serving and defensive on the agency’s part,”Morell writes in his prepared testimony. “Here was a tragic event, and we were saying, ‘We told you so.’ This was wrong, in my view, and would have been seen as an attempt to make the CIA look good and shift any possible blame for failing to see the risk of an attack from the agency to the State Department.” That is a rare public shot at a former CIA director from a former deputy.

            The real significance of Morell’s testimony was that he directly rebutted the GOP charge that the CIA, in concert with the White House, “cooked the books” on Benghazi with manufactured talking points that Morell knew were wrong, and then covered it up. To continue their Benghazi conspiracy-mongering, Republicans will now have to continue arguing that Morell and hundreds of others are lying. I suspect they’ll double down, once more, rather than concede that this is a losing issue that has been grotesquely blown out of proportion.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/02/former-cia-deputy-director-rebuts-republican-charges-on-benghazi/

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          3. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            And here’s another article which makes it clear that the Benghazi “Station Chief’ worked for the CIA not the State Department (Benghazi was in reality a ‘CIA station’ not a State Department ‘Consulate’):

            From the DailyBeast:

            CIA Strikes Back on Benghazi

            Morell acknowledged that he had read the cable from the station chief in Libya in his testimony. But he also said his assessment was at odds with the evaluation of CIA analysts who had prepared the classified analysis that informed initial drafts of the talking points read by Rice.

            He said the chief of station based his assessment that there was no demonstration on two pieces of evidence. The first was that local press reports said there was no demonstration. But Morell said there were other press reports that said there was. Also, the chief of station relied on the accounts of CIA security contractors who were sent to Benghazi that evening. “This was not compelling because these officers did not arrive until almost an hour after the attack started and the protesters could have dispersed by them,” Morell said.

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/02/cia-strikes-back-on-benghazi.html

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          4. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            It still doesn’t make any sense, so I’ll repeat my question: Why didn’t Hillary Clinton bring this out during her Congressional testimony and news conferences? Is Hillary Clinton such a fan of the CIA that she’ll take a hit like this for it?

            I don’t buy it.

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          5. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            Oh come on!! Hillary’s not going to come out and pass the buck?? Someone who has aspirations of running for President isn’t going to come out and say “Hey, don’t blame me for all this it wasn’t really my responsibility.” If you think someone like Hillary would do that even when it wasn’t her job you’re more delusional than most other posters here.

            Have you seen this on Hillary?? Just to show you how committed Hillary is to going out on a limb and helping others even in foreign countries:

            From the Daily Kos:

            You won’t see Hillary Clinton in the same light ever again

            But that night in the theater two years ago, the other six brave women came up on the stage. Anabella De Leon of Guatemala pointed to Hillary Clinton, who was sitting right in the front row, and said, “I met her and my life changed.” And all weekend long, women from all over the world said the same thing:

            “I’m alive because she came to my village, put her arm around me, and had a photograph taken together.”

            “I’m alive because she went on our local TV and talked about my work, and now they’re afraid to kill me.”

            “I’m alive because she came to my country and she talked to our leaders, because I heard her speak, because I read about her.”

            I’m here today because of that, because of those stores. I didn’t know about this. I never knew any of it. And I think everybody should know. This hidden history Hillary has, the story of her parallel agenda, the shadow diplomacy unheralded, uncelebrated — careful, constant work on behalf of women and girls that she has always conducted alongside everything else a First Lady, a Senator, and now Secretary of State is obliged to do.

            And it deserves to be amplified. This willingness to take it, to lead a revolution – and revelation, beginning in Beijing in 1995, when she first raised her voice to say the words you’ve heard many times throughout this conference: “Women’s Rights Are Human Rights.”

            When Vera Stremkovskaya, a lawyer and human rights activist from Belarus met Hillary Clinton a few years ago, they took a photograph together. And she said to one of the Secretary’s colleagues, “I want that picture.” And the colleague said, “I will get you that picture as soon as possible.” And Stremkovskaya said, “I need that picture.” And the colleague said, “I promise you.” And Stremkovskaya said, “You don’t understand. That picture will be my bullet-proof vest.”

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again?detail=email

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          6. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            And you’re also too clueless to realize that Hillary doesn’t want to bow out of this. The GOP has put her in the spotlight and she wants to be there. The last time she testified she handed virtually every Republican legislator his rearend of a silver platter. She’s probably looking forward to testifying in front of Congress again so she can hand more of these fake Republican legislators in their rearends back in their face.

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          7. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            Hillary Clinton: standup gal, eh?

            Sorry, It doesn’t hold water.

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          8. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            Based on what? Your misguided opinion of her??

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          9. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            That the best you can do for a response?

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          10. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            Yeah! What evidence do you have that disproves anything I’ve posted?? YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT YOUR OWN HYPOCRITICAL BIASES AND OPINIONS!!!

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          11. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            Ahhhhh. Wassamatter bubi? Stuck for a response?

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          12. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            I thought I posted this for you but I don’t see it.

            You won’t see Hillary Clinton in the same light ever again

            But that night in the theater two years ago, the other six brave women came up on the stage. Anabella De Leon of Guatemala pointed to Hillary Clinton, who was sitting right in the front row, and said, “I met her and my life changed.” And all weekend long, women from all over the world said the same thing:

            “I’m alive because she came to my village, put her arm around me, and had a photograph taken together.”

            “I’m alive because she went on our local TV and talked about my work, and now they’re afraid to kill me.”

            “I’m alive because she came to my country and she talked to our leaders, because I heard her speak, because I read about her.”

            I’m here today because of that, because of those stores. I didn’t know about this. I never knew any of it. And I think everybody should know. This hidden history Hillary has, the story of her parallel agenda, the shadow diplomacy unheralded, uncelebrated — careful, constant work on behalf of women and girls that she has always conducted alongside everything else a First Lady, a Senator, and now Secretary of State is obliged to do.

            And it deserves to be amplified. This willingness to take it, to lead a revolution – and revelation, beginning in Beijing in 1995, when she first raised her voice to say the words you’ve heard many times throughout this conference: “Women’s Rights Are Human Rights.”

            When Hillary Clinton stood up in Beijing to speak that truth, her hosts were not the only ones who didn’t necessarily want to hear it. Some of her husband’s advisors

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again?detail=email

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          13. CPAinNewYork April 24, 2015

            Baloney! Hilllary Clinton is a sleazy politician who chose to remain married to a president who disgraced the office by his inability to control his sexual urges. He made America the laughingstock of the world.

            If Hillary Clinton is the best that the women of America can offer for the presidency, then we’ll continue to have men as president for a long time.

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          14. idamag May 3, 2015

            OMG, they don’t want facts. They work hard with their giant magnifying glass.

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          15. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

            CPA: Because Dependent1 just made it up.
            The guy is absolutely, obscenely crazy ….

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  7. Robert Endl April 23, 2015

    Isn’t there somebody else out there to replace this political freak show?

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  8. ATC333 April 23, 2015

    The worst part is they are all hawking the very same failed economic polices which got us into this mess in the first place. Tax cuts for job creators, and more redistribution of wealth to the top 2% who now own 50% of all of America’s wealth, 47% of Americans now live just above, below, or at the poverty level, minimum wage has less than 70% of the buying power it did 12 years ago, Reagan’s tax cuts as followed though by Bush 1, Bush II, and the GOP politicians since 2008, assuming the same spending by all administrations since Reagan, have created more than 13 Trillion in deficits, and only financed the top 2% wealth accumulations, all the while creating half as many new jobs as Democratic Administration. did over the same period of time.

    Certainly a glowing recommendation for electing any of the current GOP wannabees President of the United States. Hasn’t the Party of Greed, Oligarchy & Profit done enough damage to this nation without blindly attempting to inflict their current crop of contenders upon us?

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    1. mike April 23, 2015

      You might try and rewrite history but then the facts will come up and bite you in the A$$.
      First, by your reasoning everything that happened under Bush 41 and Reagan was all done without the democratic party and therefore the party is innocent. Right? If so, explain how all these tax cut and debt could have happened when The House of Representatives was controlled by Democrats in both terms of Reagan and Bush 41, and the Senate was controlled by democrats the last half of Reagan’s term and all of Bush’s. How can that be?? Were there no votes and Reagan did what he wanted?? Now doesn’t the House make and pass laws? Isn’t it involved in spending and budget?? Where were all these Democrats??

      As to the 13 trillion, again you are trying to make your perception of history. Obama took over in 2009 with the debt at around 10.5 trillion. Most economist and persons with an ounce of honesty know that all the spending Obama signed into law shouldn’t be put in Bush Budget, Bush was out of office.
      No you are just being a dishonest partisan.

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      1. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

        There you go again trying to take the blame off the republicans. Let me tell you a story about a time not to long ago when both parties once worked together with the president to try to do the right thing for the people. I know it’s a foreign thought for you but it did happen. People from one party would talk to the other party and would compromise in order to get the job done. Now you are going to say it never happened and ask me to prove it but I will not. I don’t have to. It was as I said, I lived through that
        magical time.

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        1. mike April 23, 2015

          Bob, Bob, Bob, not taking any blame off the republicans just giving all the facts, the debt was not only on Reagan and Bush but also on the party that held the House for both presidents, Democrats. The Senate was controlled by democrats the last half of Reagan and all of Bush 41 term. Those you can not deny or refute. No spending could happen without the party in control and that was the democrats. Your side thinks it was all Reagan and Bush and democrats were just innocent bystanders, which they were not.
          I am well aware of compromising in the past but sadly that no longer exist. Both are further apart than ever.
          Reid the leader of the Senate when on the floor of the Senate in 2012 accused Romney of never paying taxes with not even a scintilla of proof and lied. A few weeks ago in an interview he was asked if he would like to apologize and he said, NO! He went on to say “he lost didn;t he”. So save me your outrage.
          I will wait with bated breath for a comparable personal attack on a fellow senator knowing it was all a lie on the floor of the Senate and also knowing he had immunity. Reid is one of the most despicable senator ever.

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          1. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

            How do you know it was a lie? I don’t recall seeing his tax returns, did you? You don’t remember those Raegan years very well do you.

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          2. mike April 23, 2015

            His taxes were released you dumb s$$t!
            Prove my statement on control of congress is wrong. Democrats can’t disprove their role.

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          3. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

            Your right on tax returns, I had forgotten. But simply saying that the democrats had control ofspending and taxes under Reagan is an over simplification of the facts.

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          4. mike April 23, 2015

            Simplification!! No it isn’t!!!!
            Did you read “the caucus” I added shortly after I hit post? If you did you could see that Reid did not have an iota of information.

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          5. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

            Did you pay attention when Reagan and Bush the 1st were in office. I did. Do you remember what Reagan was like as a president, I do. Have you ever held an elected office in the Republican party and seen what it’s like from the inside. I have. I don’t need rewritten history, I was there. Go pedal your twisted information to someone else.

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          6. mike April 23, 2015

            Did the democrats control the House and Senate during Bush 41’s term??
            Did the democrats control the Senate the second the last half of Reagan, and the House all 8 years?
            Who controlled the purse strings during those years? The democrats.
            There is an ounce of twisted information.
            Sorry, you are in total denial and intellectually dishonest on this subject.

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          7. Independent1 April 23, 2015

            As usual lowlife, you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that until Gingrich changed the rules when he was Speaker, PRESIDENTS GENERALLY DICTATED THE SPENDING!! There was a thing called BIPARTISANSHIP before GINGRICH DESTROYED THAT NOTION. So unless a president requested something that was totally outlandish, Congress generally went along with it given that PRESIDENTS WERE ELECTED TO LEAD THE COUNTRY!!

            I Realize that notions like that are FOREIGN TO YOU CONSERVATIVE LOWLIFES THESE DAYS!!

            But that’s the way things were BEFORE GINGRICH!!

            So the whole bit of garbage you’re throwing out right now is just ONE MORE RWNJ ATTEMPT TO GET OUT OF BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DISASTERS THAT REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS HAVE CREATED EVERY TIME THEY’VE BEEN IN OFFICE SINCE 1910 EXCEPT FOR POSSIBLY EISENHOWER!!!!!!!

            SUCK IT UP LOSER!!! REAGAN AND ALL THE BUSHES WERE LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!

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          8. mike April 24, 2015

            Newt?? Really, the house was controlled by democrats through both terms of Reagan and Bush.
            Now when was he made speaker??
            Keep it up nutty professor!!
            LMAO!!!

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          9. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

            mike:
            Man, this idiot, Dependent1, is definitely, obscenely CRAZY.
            Look at his crazy rants!
            …. certifiably a kook.
            P.S. – I think he is a faggy trying to come out of the closet and can’t because his bra got stuck in a clothes hanger ….

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          10. Independent1 April 24, 2015

            There’s really no level of depravity that Republicans won’t stoop too. I’ll guarantee you that when Reagan and the Bushes were in office, that the House of Reps would never have even thought about totally juryrigging a president’s budget in an attempt to humiliate him. Not like Republicans have done to every one of Obama’s budgets when he’s submitted them.

            Do you know what they’ve done each time LOWLIFE??? They strip out every bit of detail that the White House provides with the president’s budget with respect to what the president is proposing to spend money on, deleting all the detail and just leaving the main headings.

            Tell me LOWLIFE!! How many legislators do you suppose will vote on a budget that just has huge figures for each heading without any detail with respect to where all that money is supposedly going to go. Would you be surprised if I said probably ZERO!! Well what do you know!! That’s exactly what happens and so guess what – THESE LOWLIFE REPUBLICANS COME OUT VIRTUALLY EVERY YEAR AND SAY OBAMA’S BUDGETS HAVE GOTTEN ZERO VOTES!!

            And from there, they totally ignore virtually everything he’s proposed!! THAT’S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE DUMBCOFF!! YOU UNADULTERATED PIECE OF CRAP!! WISE UP YOU IDIOT!!! YOU’RE SO DUMB IT’S DISGUSTING!!!

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          11. mike April 24, 2015

            Your delusion continues!!!
            Can’t answer the questions and be honest.
            You really are certifiable nuts.

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      2. Sand_Cat April 23, 2015

        You can try to say the political hacks at Fox are more accurate because they’re more popular, too. We have freedom of speech, but no one with any sense would likely try to make that case, nor would you if MSNBC were ahead of Fox by 30 points.
        Your rewrites are far more fantastic than ATC333’s.

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        1. mike April 23, 2015

          Come on!! Not one word from Fox in my post.
          There is not one statement that I made that is incorrect. Do your homework.
          Did the Democrats control the House during Reagan and Bush 41?
          Did the Democrats control the Senate all of the Bush 41 administration and the last half of Reagan?
          When Bush left office was the debt around 10.5 trillion?
          PS: MSNBC will never even be close to fox, it is a failing network. Few are watching it.

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          1. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

            Remember Fox admits to lying and in defense they said they weren’t a news channel. That’s a fact Jack.

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          2. mike April 23, 2015

            You really are brain dead!!!
            Couldn’t answer the questions honestly could you. LMAO!!!

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          3. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

            It’s simple, Fox lies and admits it. You have seen the proof but you still believe them. Because of that FACT you can be discounted in what you say.

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          4. mike April 23, 2015

            BULL S$$T!!!
            Thanks for the chuckle.

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          5. mike April 23, 2015

            Quit acting like a little baby.
            Bye until Monday headed fly fishing and will forget about all you ideologues with your stupid and uninformed opinionsl

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          6. mike April 23, 2015

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/foxlies.asp

            YOUR ARE A CERTIFIED MORON!!!
            Have a nice weekend.

            Hell the fish I will be catching are smarter than your silly A$$.

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          7. idamag May 3, 2015

            I remember when they were called on the carpet. They claimed they were entertainment, not news. Some people are so easily entertained.

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          8. bobnstuff May 3, 2015

            Mike gets real agree when you say Fox isn’t the best news channel. I’ve given up trying to prove to him he is wrong but every now and then I will point out the truth about Fox just to get him going.

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          9. Sand_Cat April 23, 2015

            Very relevant to show how willing you are to twist facts.

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          10. mike April 23, 2015

            Answer the questions, or I can surmise your mind is shaped like a pretzel. 🙂

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  9. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

    “Running for President no matter what”?? !!
    Listen, after the community organizer in 2008, ANYBODY can aspire to be President.

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    1. midway54 April 23, 2015

      Yes, and he won largely because your heroic Cheney-Bush farcical, inept bungling administration caused so much political and military chaos both at home and abroad while the world watched in disbelief. Neither of your pals could function as community organizers because they wouldn’t have the required attitude and talent or the desire. This assumes that you even know what a community organizer does nor just how many there have been over the years. The term is another name for you to use such as socialist or marxist or an unAmerican probably taught to you by a number of shills for the plutocrats who expect you to cheer in delight (and to parrot their bilge).

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      1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

        Wow! You are not even “midway” to understanding politics. Interesting that you brought up the words “socialist”, “Marxist” and “unAmerican”, all 3 of which describe to a “T” the COMMUNITY ORGANIZER (who, by the way, never had to meet a payroll in his life).

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        1. Sand_Cat April 23, 2015

          Well, if he’s not midway to understanding politics, he’s WAY ahead of you. Does your understanding extend to other topics? You sound like a pretty all-around dim bulb.

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          1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

            Sandy:
            I guess it takes one to know one.
            Several months ago somebody identified you well (seems he knew you personally). He said: “Sand_cat is as dumb as a box of nails.”
            To CONFIRM that, look at the idiot who gave your post a “thumbs up”: Dependent1, that’s who!! Another moooron!

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          2. Independent1 April 23, 2015

            Sill going out there AND PROVING THAT YOU’RE DELIBERATELY STUPID!!! HUH!!!!!!

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          3. idamag May 3, 2015

            Stupid likes being stupid.

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          4. Independent1 April 23, 2015

            You sure got that right Sandy!! Louis is ticked because I keep telling him that ‘YOU CAN’T FIX DELIBERATELY STUPID!!!

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          5. Louis Allen April 25, 2015

            On the contrary, you refuse to respond to me because you are the president of the Dual Club: The COWARDS and DUMBASSES Club !!
            LOL !!!

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          6. Independent1 April 25, 2015

            Really? Well, every non RWNJ poster on the NM will attest to the fact that you’ve never made one sane/rational comment on the NM – and you’re last one proves it!!!! YOU SIMPLY CAN’T FIX STUPID AND STUPID IS ‘YOU’!!!

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          7. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

            Deppy, you dumbass:
            I can “run rings around you” any time.
            You buffoon want to know what RWNJ really means?
            It means “Slang/short for Right Wing Nut Job, what a far-left hack calls you when they have no tolerance for any other viewpoint than their own and no other defense.”

            Liberal hack: “Oh, shut up man, Benghazi never happened and it’s a fabricated story. You’re such a RWNJ.”
            Now, after having being corrected, AGAIN, go back to your pigsty with Lenore Whiptaker where you both belong.

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          8. idamag May 3, 2015

            I happened to get a taxi driver, the other day, who was yammering about the riots, the illegals and the President. He said 95% of the illegals were on food stamps and Black people wouldn’t work. I asked him where he got his figures. He blabbered, “Everybody know that.” I told him yes, but I didn’t deal in abstracts, I wanted concretes and I wanted to know where he got his figures. I also told him I would buy him a book and challenge him to read it. The book? “Carry Me Home Birmingham, Alabama.” He said he didn’t have time to read that stuff. So, You can’t fix stupid. Stupid likes being stupid.

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          9. midway54 May 4, 2015

            So very typical of the members of the audience of Fox “News” who cheer the three best known uneducated millionaires in the broadcast media: Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh. The plutocrats love ’em for their ability to dupe the Red(neck) State voters who in the last election sent the newest gang of crackpots to join the others in the Plutocratic Party currently in the majority in the House and Senate.

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          10. idamag May 3, 2015

            I think you have proved that, by now.

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        2. ralphkr April 23, 2015

          Hey, Louis Allen, if you had ever cracked a history book in your life you would know that the worse presidents since 1900 were those who had been successful Republican businessmen.

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          1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

            Hey, the dummy with the girly hat!! I see you changed your moniker again, …. but the stupid hat on the EMPTY head is still recognizable.
            LOL !!
            And, again, you get a thumbs-up from Dependent1, the coward who will NOT face me.
            Tsk, tsk, tsk …..

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          2. ralphkr April 24, 2015

            OK,Louis Boy, I have to ask where you came up with GIRLY HAT? Which of
            my hats do you consider GIRLY? My US Army hats, my USAF hats, my
            Deputy Sheriff’s Stetson, or my civilian Adams Fedora? I haven’t changed my moniker for a number of years and then I just added the second ‘r’ but kept the same avatar. At least you are consistent in your ignorant posturings and I am not surprised if Independent1 does not wish to face you as no one wishes to deal with the mentally challenged such as yourself.

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          3. idamag May 3, 2015

            The one with the lowest approval rating, since it was monitored, was george, the war criminal, bush.

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          4. ralphkr May 3, 2015

            And, idamag, G.W. Bush was a businessman and the only president to hold an M.B.A.

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        3. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

          You don’t think that Community Organizers get paid and that the organizations don’t have payrolls to meet. Non profit don’t mean no money. In case you didn’t know non profits are business’s. And you could include as community organizers the Chamber of Commerce.

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          1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

            And also ACORN, DUH !
            Go tell the Chamber of Commerce in your city/town that they are “community organizers”. They will give you a (very well deserved) kick on your lower back!!
            Again, DUH !!
            Is THAT all you’ve got??!!
            Oh brother, these guys are getting worse and worse.

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          2. bobnstuff April 23, 2015

            You really don’t know what a community organizer does do you. And my local Chamber of Commerce has work at bring the community together on a number of issues. The League of
            Women Voters works as community organizers in voter registration and getting out the vote. The Tea Party uses the same tactics in getting people working together as any community organizer does. It’s not a bad name or job.

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          3. idamag May 3, 2015

            This nitpickers have micro brains and big magnifying glasses, looking for the moat in the President’s eye or anyone else on the opposite party. Why do you think the fascists are using the Republicans instead of the Democrats?.

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          4. Targetdog April 24, 2015

            “Community organizer” – Did you read that off a teleprompter?

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          5. bobnstuff April 24, 2015

            If I was in the position where every word I said was use to try to trip me up I would never speak of handed. Look at what happened with Miss Sarah when she lost her teleprompter.

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          6. idamag May 3, 2015

            There is nothing wrong with using a teleprompter. I have been in public speaking for a long time. We used to use note cards before teleprompters. These dings who have never faced an audience, have no clue as to how it works. When they nitpick like walking dumb sarah, that means they have nothing real to grouse about.

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        4. midway54 April 25, 2015

          More parroting from you is based on what are clearly those crackpot sources who have targeted and captured the likes if you. Your groundless description of the organizers betray your stunning ignorance. Worse, how many U.S. presidents and published scholars in the law, economics, and political science should be ignored and dismissed because none had ever met a payroll? That payroll stuff is a favorite of the shills for the plutocracy, and the dupes and rednecks readily buy it and run off to spread it among their fellow cheerleaders bereft of critical thought and the talent for researching questions. Your posts are ludicrous but in one sense offer us all some entertainment.

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          1. Louis Allen April 25, 2015

            not even midway-there:
            1) When you say “…offer us all some entertainment”, do you mean you and all the other liberal/socialist/”progressive”/leftist moroooons that post on this cesspool??
            2) When you mention the phrase “… the shills for the plutocracy”, do you mean and believe that we are ruled at the present time by a plutocracy? And what would THAT tell you about your community organizer hero, The Great Prevaricator?
            3) Do you believe, as all your liberal/leftist/socialist/”progressive” mooorons do, that you can make “poor” people rich by making “rich” people poor??
            Tsk, tsk, tsk …
            Oh brother.

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          2. midway54 April 25, 2015

            I rest my case. Little reason for any of us to deal with your almost infantile mentality.

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          3. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

            “I rest my case.” That’s exactly what I could have expected from you, “short-brain”.
            Again I ask you: Do you believe, as all your liberal/leftist/socialist/”progressive” mooorons do, that you can make “poor” people rich by making “rich” people poor??

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      2. idamag May 3, 2015

        I was talking to a man from England, the other day. I asked him what other countries must think of us with the Congress we have. He said they feel our votes do not count or we would not be sending those people to Congress.

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        1. midway54 May 4, 2015

          The whole world is watching our exclusive need to see that the rest of the countries on the planet behave as we deem acceptable.

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    2. the kick is good April 23, 2015

      Greatest community organizer ever. POTUS.

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      1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

        Another idiot that proves my point to the effect that after The Great Prevaricator, ANYBODY can aspire to be President.
        Another “thumbs-up” from the President of the Idiots Club: Dependent1!!
        Kick, you still have time to switch that inane moniker. Who is dumb enough to call himself “the kick in my butt feels good”??

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        1. the kick is good April 23, 2015

          Go head on over to the Hot Air Blog with your fellow reactionaries.

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          1. Louis Allen April 23, 2015

            Nah, I think I’ll stay here setting straight morons like you and, at the same time, moronic cowards like Dependent1….

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      2. charleo1 April 23, 2015

        You use the term Community Organizer as if it were a derogatory. Do you know what a Community Organizer does? At a time when Barack Obama came to the White House, there were more people falling out of work and into poverty, than at any time since the Great Depression. More people losing their homes, exhausting their savings, and becoming uninsured, with more small businesses going bankrupt, in three months prior to his instatement, that had happened in the entire 20th century. At a time, when 34 of the 50 State Governments were either technically destitute, or slated to be unable to carry out essential governmental functions in the next six months. You would have preferred a dottering 72 year old ex- military officer, turned lifelong politician, who admitted up front economics, “was not his strong suit?” Who expressed a desire to expand the 4 trillion dollar military adventure in Iraq, into a 10 trillion dollar tour of Iran? No, it seems to me, a Community Organizer was exactly what the Country needed, when it needed a good one the most. And I think the facts more than back that up.

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        1. idamag May 3, 2015

          With these haters, everything Obama does is wrong. He breathes, so it they will just stop breathing in protest…

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          1. charleo1 May 3, 2015

            It’s true! And I’ve never seen anything quite like it. And they’re color blind, you know? One writer observed early on. If Obama advocated flossing to improve dental health. The entire GOP would let their teeth rot out of their head, so as not to be seen agreeing with Obama. Remember Michelle,’s efforts to get kids
            and adults to eat more healthy? And so they all ran to the Iowa State Fair, and had their pictures taken eating fried butter on a stick! So I’m hoping he does propose just such a thing before he leaves office.

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      3. bobnstuff April 24, 2015

        If you think of our country as a community then yes he is one of the greatest community organizer in history. Carrie Nation is another name that comes to mind although what she accomplished didn’t last. You could say Gandhi was the greatest Community Organizer in history.

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        1. BOC April 24, 2015

          I wouldn’t ignore MLK, Jr. who was without a doubt, community and civil rights advocate.

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          1. bobnstuff April 24, 2015

            I skipped him on purpose. His role in the civil rights movement was pivotal but I was trying to show that there are a wide range of reasons to organize as a group to fight for a cause. The good folks on Fox has been using the term as a negative and no one seems to challenge them.

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      4. BOC April 24, 2015

        Greatest political organizer and government leader ever, the POTUS.
        Just ask: Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Karl Rove, Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch, Koch Brothers, and Sheldon Adelson, the $100 million dollar man.

        On leadership he’s ‘numero-uno’ according to the major countries of the free world, just check the most recent Gallup Poll.

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        1. idamag May 3, 2015

          You are talking about people who corrupt the government with their money and one who talks to chairs. What makes it worse, the chair answered him.

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    3. dpaano May 28, 2015

      Gee….he organized enough of the community to get re-elected!!!

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      1. Louis Allen May 28, 2015

        Yep!
        EXACTLY what Jonathan Gruber said.
        P.S. – Nothing else to do with your empty existence than re-establishing month-old “threads”?
        Poor girl.

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        1. dpaano May 29, 2015

          Why are you so fixated on the fact than I don’t get to these month-old threads immediately? I work for a living, and sometimes I don’t have all the time you have to respond to these when they first show up. Get a life for crying out loud….I don’t believe there’s any deadline that I have to follow to respond to your inane babblings!

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          1. Louis Allen May 29, 2015

            I’ll tell you why …..next month.

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          2. dpaano May 29, 2015

            Don’t bother….you never have anything relevant to say anyway except to call me names and “attempt” to belittle me. Typical conservative troll.

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          3. Louis Allen May 29, 2015

            Don’t worry, …. you don’t need ANY more “belittling”.
            Jonathan Gruber already belittled you leftist/liberal mindless, uninformed voters.
            Bye!

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  10. Robert Cruder April 23, 2015

    Some never forgot when FDR broke the policies of the 1890’s and 1920’s that had caused the depression. Those who had profited from one or both have since raised dynasties who promise a utopia if the country could just return to those decades.

    Given contrary experience, some quite recent, there is no rational argument to support such a retreat but elections are about confidence, not fact or argument. Confidence is difficult to predict so the party throws them all up against the wall to see what sticks.

    It is comforting that those who stick with the shrinking base are the least likely to stick with the general public. Those wealthy dynasties can spend their Billions and still fail if election turnout swamps the votes of the base.

    Albert Einstein editorialized that the corruption of power by money was an unavoidable flaw of capitalism and concluded that socialism was the only viable solution. Win or lose, the Koch brothers confirm that Albert was a very smart person.

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    1. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

      Considering the FACT that socialism, in practice and not in theory, is a system under which everybody is EQUALLY POOR, your conclusions about socialism confirm that you are a MOOORON.
      Oh brother.
      P.S. – Do you, dumbass, think for a moment that Fidel and Raul Castro are poor??
      Do you, dumbass, think for a moment that Hugo Chavez left his family in a destitute state?
      What a jackass.

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      1. Robert Cruder May 1, 2015

        Please remember that religious orders are socialist and have done quite well for over a millennium. They do not mind being poor and indeed take a vow of poverty. One would only call them morons if one already carried a lot of hate to vent. Please do explain how you have been so damaged.

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        1. Louis Allen May 2, 2015

          Robert, the only “damaged” goods here is you, my friend:
          1) Your attempt to “project” the sector of religious orders to society at large constitutes ignorance at best, and intellectual dishonesty at worst. (Some) religious orders voluntarily (code word here!) take a vow of poverty and thus CHOOSE to be poor (although not in spirit).
          2) Contrast that with socialism, a system under which
          everybody (except the rulers!) is EQUALLY POOR.
          3) My opinion concerning socialism (and the inevitably related totalitarianism) is not based on hate but on observation of something that completely ELUDES you leftist/liberal/socialist/”progressive” retards: REALITY.
          I repeat: your conclusions about socialism confirm that you are a half-wit.

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          1. Robert Cruder May 3, 2015

            In 1949, Albert Einstein wrote:

            “This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.

            I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.”

            A dictionary alone shows socialism is different from communism as capitalism from fascism.

            The measure of a country is not the grotesque wealth of a few but how happy the average person is. Bhutan began such a survey and the UN regularly applies it worldwide.

            Norway, a mostly-socialist mixed economy owns the #1 slot even though it has fewer multi-billionaires. The U.S. is stuck at #5, down from #4 in 2012.

            Now please do call Albert Einstein and the residents of Norway “morons” compared to your own immense intelligence.

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  11. the kick is good April 23, 2015

    Carly needs to pay for some more re-do plastic surgeries. It looks like she has a pound of Bondo caked on her face . The doctors need to take a sander and work on those high spots.

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    1. BOC April 24, 2015

      I don’t think cameo is the gig here. It’s skill and ability to perform on behalf of the people. ‘That’s the gig, Joe-Bob’.

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  12. Katness Everdean April 24, 2015

    In this related video, Obama claims that George Washington lived in the White House: http://bit.ly/ObamaWrongAgain

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    1. BOC April 24, 2015

      And your point is? Why at this time is it relevant?

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    2. idamag May 3, 2015

      And, you believe all that stuff. The two greatest threats to democracy are greed and ignorance and greed feeds off ignorance.

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  13. S Kamel April 24, 2015

    Oh please. Hillary has little experience and has nothing favorable to claim as a result of that experience. The non-competings consist of Fauxcahontas and our absurd VP.

    Why can’t pundits TRY to be honest?

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    1. Targetdog April 24, 2015

      I will vote for Hillary just so you will have 8 more years of having your panties in a bunch! Your misery is a joy to behold!

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      1. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

        Yeah, SCREW the Nation. Let’s all vote for Hillary !!
        Viva socialism (disguised, of course!)

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    2. BOC April 24, 2015

      You will not find a lot of honesty in the GOP. By the way Liz Warren is not running and I know Wall Street America respects and fears her. The VP handles his position better than Dick ‘Halliburton/KBR’ Cheney ever could.

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      1. midway54 April 25, 2015

        Cheney, the puppeteer. did just what our plutocrats expected of him: Find ways and deceitful explanations to continue perpetual wars for perpetual profits. All of these scoundrels are close to political orgasm at the prospect of more of this, especially with additional stooges to join the Plutoratic Party majority in both houses of Congress and with a selected stooge for the Plutocratic Party in the White House after the next election.

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        1. idamag May 3, 2015

          The no-bid contracts to Halliburton and subsidiaries says a lot about the most evil man, in America – Dick Cheney.

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      2. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

        “The VP ‘handles’ his position better ….” than DUMB and DUMBER ever could !!!! Or BONGO the monkey ever could ….
        LOLLLL !!!!

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        1. dpaano May 28, 2015

          It’s so unprofessional to call our president names….seriously? Apparently, enough people respected him to re-elect him over Mitt!!!

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      3. idamag May 3, 2015

        Cheney, the convicted war criminal who cannot go to Canada because they will arrest him. Bush, Cheney and rummy were convicted of war crimes, in absentia, in two countries: Norway and Malaysia. Several other countries have warrants for their arrests if they to to those countries.

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    3. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

      S: Because they double up as “reporters” for the mainscream press every so often and thus can not AFFORD to be honest.

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  14. paulyz April 24, 2015

    Wonder what losers the Democrat/Socialist Party will dig up in a desperate attempt to replace Hillary, after she heads to prison?

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    1. midway54 April 25, 2015

      What if she doesn’t head for prison like Patraeus did not and suppose she is not indicted as Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, and others should have been but were not? What explanation is available from dupes like you?

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      1. idamag May 3, 2015

        Funny how they will accept indicted war criminals so readily, isn’t it?

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        1. midway54 May 4, 2015

          Nothing but the sound of chirping crickets in response to my question posed to Allen whose comprehension is suspect as measured by his immature, young schoolboy type replies to others in this thread.

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    2. Louis Allen April 26, 2015

      They could very well choose Joe “The Clown” Biden to succeed Barry “The Great Prevaricator” Ovomit, or choose Nancy “The Lying Witch” Pelosi instead of Killary “Say-ANYTHING” RodDAMN ….
      Choose ANYBODY as long as he/she tells the idiots the platitudes they want to hear…..

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  15. lightharry April 27, 2015

    When you really get down to the basics it is a real insult to the intelligence of the average voter when he sees the offering of the Republicans for President of the United States. One clown after another with a ton of baggage that is enough to put them in jail- It is ashame that America can not do better than what FOX and the Koch Brothers want.

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  16. idamag May 3, 2015

    As usual, the fascists are on here with an old trick – divide the parties up, destroy one and take over the other one. In order to do that, they have to build enemies that they, and their party, will save you from. Sadly, one party can be destroyed and the other one is so paranoid that they believe all the name-calling nazi tactics.

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  17. dpaano May 28, 2015

    The GOP keeps adding more bozos to their list of presidential candidates….I personally can’t see a one that has the political background to run this country the way it needs to be run. I’m still rooting for either Hillary or Bernie….

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