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After Terror Attacks, Fox News Brings On Anti-Muslim Fearmongers To Push Lies And Anti-Refugee Rhetoric

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After Terror Attacks, Fox News Brings On Anti-Muslim Fearmongers To Push Lies And Anti-Refugee Rhetoric

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Published with permission from Media Matters for America.

Fox News is providing a platform for conservatives to spread misinformation about refugees and stoke anti-Muslim fears following a series of apparent terror attacks around the country. Fox’s open-door policy for fearmongers is in keeping with the network’s disconcerting history as a source of Islamophobia and anti-immigrant and anti-refugee sentiment after terror attacks at home and abroad.

Authorities have arrested a suspect in the September 17 bomb explosions in Manhattan and Seaside Park, N.J.; a suspect was shot in a stabbing spree the same day in Saint Cloud, MN. New York Mayor Bill de Blasiosaid, “We have every reason to believe this was an act of terrorism,” referring to the two New York area bombings, and ISIS has claimed responsibility for the Minnesota mall attack.

President Obama advised that “the press try to refrain from getting out ahead of the investigation” and warned against the dissemination of “false reports or incomplete information” — a warning Fox News ignored as it hosted a series of guests who peddled anti-Muslim talking points and xenophobic rhetoric.

During a segment that led off with Fox host Ainsley Earhardt asking, “Is the Somali refugee crisis now a terror crisis?” Fox contributor Pete Hegseth warned of the “incubation” of radical Islam in “radical mosques” in Minnesota, claiming that “the problem is that a lot of those communities have not assimilated the way we would want them to.” Hegseth then proclaimed that there “is a terrorist recruitment problem in Minnesota.” Hegseth regularly fearmongers on Fox’s airwaves about terror and the “concerns about integration” of Muslims.

Jim Hanson, executive vice president of the anti-Muslim hate group Center for Security Policy, argued for heightened policing of Muslim communities because the New York attacker was “conducting jihad” and “saying Allahu Akbar.” Hanson also baselessly speculated that the Chelsea neighborhood of New York was targeted because it “is a prominently gay area” and claimed that “there’s a decent chance that this might have been another attempt to attack the gay community.” Hanson has regularly appeared on Fox to spread fears about Islam and terror.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump appeared on Fox & Friends to fearmonger about refugees and immigration, claiming that President Obama’s policy of “letting people in by the thousands and tens of thousands” will lead to terror attacks “happen[ing] perhaps more and more all over the country.”

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, a senior adviser to Trump and a Fox regular, exploited the attacks to call for surveilling the Muslim community, adding that it “is absolute nonsense” to say that going “into these communities” for that purpose is Islamophobic. Flynn suggested that heightened surveillance of Muslim communities doesn’t occur because of “political correctness” and that “political correctness kills. It will cause death.” Fox has a record of responding to terror attacks by pushing profiling and mosque surveillance, which have been found to beineffective and, according to the ACLU, lead to stigma, interference with religious worship, fear, free speech violation, and damaged relationships with law enforcement.

Conservative columnist and Fox News contributor Katie Pavlich claimed that the government is letting refugees come “into the country unvetted from terrorism hotspots all over the world,” even though the United States has a rigorous and stringent vetting process for refugees and immigrants.

Fox News consistently turns to fearmongering, anti-Muslim narratives after terror attacks, adopting racially charged rhetoric and recycling distorted lies about Muslims and refugees. Fox hosts and guests exploited theEuropean refugee crisis and used the Paris terrorist attacks to stoke fears about admitting refugees into America; conservatives used Fox to advocate for profiling Muslim Americans following the San Bernardino, CA, shooting; and right-wing pundits twisted the Brussels attack to whip up anti-Muslim fears.

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  1. Mixa Klimment September 20, 2016

    US foreign policy is the only reason for unrest in the modern world.
    Groups like the taliban, al qaeda, ISIS were all born as a result of US foreign policy .

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    1. FireBaron September 20, 2016

      Consider this – we actually funded Taliban and Al Qaeda in their revolution against the Soviet Occupation and Soviet Sponsored government in Afghanistan. DAESH was formed from splinter groups that broke away from Al Qaeda in Iraq, which was formed of dissident Sunnis formerly loyal to Saddam Hussein. Why? Because of “de-Ba’athification”, thousands of people in Iraq lost whatever jobs they had which they had to belong to the Ba’ath party to keep. In this manner, it was like Patton’s refusal to enforce the deNazification policy in Bavaria when he was military governor that allowed that portion of Germany to recover faster than any other section. Why? Same reason – the only reason those individuals were allowed to keep their jobs is they had to join the Nazi Party. Therefore, we eliminated the only people who know how the electricity grid, plumbing system and other utilities and civil functions were supposed to work and replaced them with individuals with absolutely no training in those fields, but who were supporters of Haliburton’s hand picked Iraqi puppets.

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      1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

        I don’t believe the commenter you’re responding to knows enough about what ‘she’ said, to appreciate your point. Nonetheless, you are correct. We opposed the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan in the 80s, for a lot of the same philosophical, geo political, and militarily strategic reasons that have governed our Mid East policy for decades. Ones the American public has largely agreed with. What they didn’t agree to in Afghanistan at the time, was actually sending troops. So the Reagan Adm. managed to locate and arm a proxy group of foreign insurgents determined to drive the Soviets out. The catch was they were led by a zealot Sunni named Osama Bin Laden. One of those, “friendly rebels,” the Neocon Right Wingers still continue to contend Obama should have somehow found, and armed in Syria. And since he didn’t decide to go that path, Trump’s trope is, he created ISIS. Which shows how ridiculous, and uninformed his war on terror would be under a President Trump.

        The overall reality it seems to me, is we’ve concentrated our efforts in promoting what is in the interests of the U.S. and our trading partners in Europe. And in that way sought to fashion, or prop up, in any way possible, friendly stable regimes. Be they psychotic dictators, genocidal manics, or what have you. That are willing to tolerate the continuance of Israel, keep the Soviets out, their populations in line, and their oil spigots flowing. And to the extent we’ve wavered from that, in taking out dictators, [Iraq-Libya] And sometimes, as with Iran, where the dictator we installed via coup, was overthrown. The results have been less than what we would have liked. But our policies have been fairly consistent going all the way back to the two World Wars. When the Allied winners carved up the Mid East, and created a Jewish State smack dab in the middle of Arab territory. And have used Western power, and at times subterfuge, to enforced that obviously very unpopular with the Arabs policy ever since. Now does this justify terrorism, and the wanton killing of innocents on an ongoing, and random basis? Absolutely not. But is the nexus of terrorism located solely in the Islamist’s religious text, and therefor may be blamed on an entire World religion? As many on the Right are now claiming? Ignoring as they are, our own almost completely biased, self interest-orientated policies we continue to carry out in the Mid East to this day? It is a dishonest premise by mountains of historical fact.

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      2. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

        I think it is important to note that our support to the Mujaheddin, including Osama bin Laden, when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, was extended by none other than President Reagan, who also supported Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war. That early relationship ended after 9/11, when W was compelled to find a boogeyman man to deflect attention from Saudi Arabia, the homeland of the Saudi members of the Wahhabi sect that attacked us on 9/11. Needless to say, the purge of Sunni Baathists in Iraq, and their replacement with Shias aligned to Iran, brought about the chaos we are now dealing with, and the eventual emergence of ISIL.

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        1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

          And Obama/Clinton armed ISIS!

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      3. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

        And Obama/Clinton armed ISIS.

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    2. Bosda, The Raccoon Philosopher September 20, 2016

      Sorry, Charlie.
      Political & cultural forces inside the Middle East spawned this mess, & groups like Al Qida would exist with or without the United States.

      Quite frankly, it has much less to do with anybody’s foreign policy, & a very great deal more to do with the people of the Middle East resenting that their own society, burdened by corruption, pilfering, and ignorance, lags behind most of the World. The rest of us succeed, the Middle East sees this, resents it, & manufacture the lie that the West has somehow sabotaged the ME. Why? How? Religion, Jews, spies, poisoned candy–any old wacky theory that gets repeated in the market place.

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      1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

        Jihad is 1400 years old. It would be good to remind some that the USMC was created to stop the Muslim Barbary pirates on “the shores of Tripoli” in 1801.

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        1. Bosda, The Raccoon Philosopher September 21, 2016

          Ummm…no.
          The Barbary Pirates were…pirates.
          And the Corps predated that.
          And most of the expedition were Moslem mercenaries, anyway.

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          1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            The Barbary pirates were Muslims. Deny that.

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          2. Bosda, The Raccoon Philosopher September 22, 2016

            Why would I?
            And why would it be important?
            They were after money, not converts>.

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          3. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            How do you think they feed and clothe the converts they already have,beg for alms,sell vacuum cleaners? Jihadists steal from others when they need to and confiscate the lands and property of others. That is how they work. When they are the ruling government they rely on the 50% jizyya tax imposed on those they allow to live [dhimmis].

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          4. Bosda, The Raccoon Philosopher September 22, 2016

            So?
            That link proves that the Corps pre-dated the Pirates, by around ten years.
            And a small band of Naval Officers & Marine NCOs lead hired Arabs to do the attack.

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          5. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            Even if everything you say is true that problem with Muslims back then totally debunks the myth that the US started the problems with jihadists by invading the middle east. Muslims have been invaders and conquerors for 1400 years. Since then nothing has changed. A jihadist is still a jihadist.

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          6. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            So they are no threat to us here?

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    3. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

      Agreed! President Trump will bring back a sense of reason to our political culture by recognizing that not everyone wants to live in an Americans democracy and to force our culture on them starts this kind of activity.

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      1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

        Outside of George Bush’s secondary excuse as given for invading Iraq. And even then, in what case, and in what Mid Eastern Country have we ever aspired to force our Jeffersonian Democracy, and culture? As you call it, this kind off activity, has been energized by our forcing indigenous people to live under the thumb of authoritarian military regimes backed by us, willing to play along with our interests. And I don’t believe Trump, by anything he’s said so far, leads me to believe he understands a thing about terror, or Mid East policy that will produce anything like a sense of reason. He’s a demagogue, playing on people’s fears and depending on a large amount of ignorance, his, and his supporters, to do it.

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    4. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

      So we are responsible for 1400 years of Islamic jihadist expansion?

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  3. dtgraham September 20, 2016

    I think Fox News once claimed that hurricane Sandy was a Muslim storm. Aaah, what do you expect from the “news” network whose chairman and CEO for twenty years (Ailes) is now part of the Trump campaign and is probably giving Trump advice like — “and remember Donald, in the end if all else fails, just grab dem titties!”

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    1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

      Actually it was Bush who got the blame for Catrina due to his not stopping “global warming”. And Slick Willy may soon be frolicking in the oral office while Hillary sleeps off another seizure.

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      1. dtgraham September 22, 2016

        Naah, he got the blame for appointing an unqualified know nothing to be the head of FEMA, and for not doing nearly enough fast enough for New Orleans.

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        1. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

          Which wasn’t true. He as demonized for flying over NO but ignoring the disaster. Obama,on the other hand refused to interrupt his Martha’s vineyard golf vacation to go to NO during the latest flood. http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/21/obama-ignores-the-louisiana-flooding-do-we-care/…….http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2016/08/18/nets-compare-louisiana-flood-katrina-ignore-obama-vacation…..As a third note,Donald Trump went to the latest flood with an 18 wheeler full of supplies like food,water and diapers handing things out himself. The left demonizes for him going there at all, calling it a 49 second photo op. The left and the media says a president [or candidate] should stay away and not get in the way when Obama is president but the opposite is true when Bush was in office. And they claim that media bias is a myth.

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          1. dtgraham September 22, 2016

            I’ve thought for a long time that the criticism of Bush for the flyover was unfair. Precisely what was he going to do on the ground? Obama was told to stay away for a while and that photo op of Trump handing out supplies lasted something like a minute before he took off. Still, harmless though. They all love photo ops. No biggie. There are a lot of politics in these things from both sides. Agreed.

            The criticism of Bush goes a lot deeper however. It was the initial poor response and chaos for too long, and his appointment of a completely unqualified friend to head up FEMA that generated the criticism.

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          2. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            Obama never considered going there until after his vacation. Bush cancelled his WORKING vacation two days early and flew over N.O. two days after Katrina and then visited N.O. four days after the hurricane. Obama enjoyed his entire vacation golfing on Martha’s vineyard then attended a Hillary fundraiser before visiting Baton Rouge TEN days after the flood. Bush was destroyed for his “callousness” but Obama gets a pass. No media bias,right dtgraham?

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          3. dtgraham September 23, 2016

            During Katrina it was very clear that the Bush administration failed to do a lot of what it should have done to prepare for the worst and react to the crisis.

            More than 1,800 people died, 300,000 homes were destroyed and 60,000 needed rescue. FEMA’s response was called a national disgrace — relief took days to arrive, and people went without basic necessities like food and water. Some actually died of thirst.

            This time, the lessons learned from Bush’s mismanagement paid off. In the flooded neighborhoods surrounding Baton Rouge, there was a marked difference in FEMA’s response. More than 30,000 people were rescued and more than 11,000 people stayed in temporary shelters. Even 500 pets were saved. Only 18 people died.

            Obama had the right people in place, who had daily contact with Baton Rouge as the storm was approaching. They knew what they were doing, were well prepared, and did the job properly. As well, John Bel Edwards told Obama that it would be better to stay away for about two weeks.

            The two events are simply night and day.

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          4. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            Actually it was the politicians in La. who wasted billions of federal funding on pork barrel spending aimed at disaster preparation. It was the state’s responsibility to use funding wisely. If the state had used the money to minimize the flooding, the need for a FEMA response would have been drastically reduced. La. received more federal money for disaster preparedness than any other state but diverted the money to industrial canal projects…………http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/katrina_federal_money_for_louisiana_went_to_pork_not_levees/. The mayor of N.O. also dropped the ball by not preparing. http://www.wnd.com/2005/09/32287/

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  4. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

    Blaming all members of a religion for the actions of a few thousand radicals, and insulting and threatening them, and ostracizing them, only contribute to the radicalization of people who would otherwise be productive and law abiding citizens. The most heinous – and cowardly – claim, however, is to blame refugees escaping terrorist of being terrorists. The latter is not only illogical, or a manifestation of ignorance and cultural hatred, but it serves to confirm the perceptions that contribute to the radicalization of desperate people trying to find the peace and opportunities they cannot find in their homelands.
    These claims, by Trump, FOX, and many fellow Americans consumed by hatred or fear, are being exploited by ISIS and Al Qaeda, and are being use to demonize the USA and to help with the recruitment of potential terrorists. It almost seems as if it is being deliberately done to preserve, and increase, the turmoil that is causing so much havoc worldwide.

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    1. AgLander September 20, 2016

      …Tossed word salad of psycho babble.

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    2. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

      Right, Islam is a peaceful religion. Read up on it!

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      1. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

        I have, and I find it eerily similar to the Old Testament.

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        1. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

          All religions are similar inasmuch as they were designed to control the masses. I see nowhere however in the Old Testament where it gives permission to lie to, steal from or kill any non believers in Christianity like it does in the Quran to “infidels”

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          1. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

            I agree with the first sentence.
            Consider this:
            “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD(Jesus) must be destroyed. (Exodus 22:20)

            They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers,
            with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the
            Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great,
            whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

            “Thus saith the LORD of hosts….Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly
            destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and
            woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.”

            –I Samuel 15:2-3

            “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or
            the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice
            thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast
            not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people
            which are round about you … Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor
            hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou
            spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him;
            thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards
            the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that
            he die.” — Dt.13:6-10

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          2. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

            Well, I guess I stand corrected Dom, thank you! However the Christian religion seems to have moved past the idiocy of those passages and the Muslims are still living in the distant past.

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          3. 788eddie September 20, 2016

            Modern day Muslims (at least people I know, who I call friends) say that Islam is not violent, but peaceful.

            American radicals, for example Timothy McVeigh, and the Planned Parenthood shooter, are American Christians (so they say) who supported violence. And from the videos of Trump rallies, it looks as if a lot of Trump supporters (and the Donald, himself) support violence toward those who don’t agree with their philosophy.

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          4. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

            There are many that fit that category and if you personally had vetted and vouched for the 100 thousand or so Muslim refugees we’re allowing in this country I would feel much better but you’re not.

            There will always be the handful of wackjobs that commit violent acts of hate but for every one you mention there are a hundred others of the Islamic religion and I for one am not willing to take the chance of letting thousands that follow Islam in this country that bring nothing to the table except the want to be on the public dole.

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          5. 788eddie September 20, 2016

            That’s just the point, Jim. If you know and follow the teachings of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, you need to ask yourself, “Is it right to condemn a large group of people for the actions of a few?”

            Think Good Samaritan.

            It is a difficult position to condemn people from elsewhere, and excuse those nearby.

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          6. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

            I agree eddie and view myself as a “Good Samaritan” and wish to help those in real need. But why not help them in their own area by giving them a safe space, providing them with food, shelter and protection from the evil doers in their midst with military aid and such. The only reason the left wants them here is for future votes otherwise they would provide the safe space over there. They are hypocritical. power hungry, greedy globalist elites eddie

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          7. 788eddie September 20, 2016

            “Future votes”? Who says they’re going to support any leftist agenda. If they are members of the family of Islam, they’re more than likely to be more conservative in their thinking than most people we normally deal with.

            I try to put myself in their place; if someone is shooting at me or my family, I would want to move far away – to a safer place. I’m not saying that we should accept them all, just that I can understand where they’re coming from (no pun intended). We, in this country have incredible open spaces (I enjoy hiking in SW deserts like the Mojave), and I’m not saying we should fill them with current foreigners; I want to preserve these spaces for Americans. But, then again, I guess many Native Americans might probably have similar feelings.

            I’m just sayin’ somethin’ to reflect upon, that’s all.

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          8. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            Wouldn’t those given a free ride here more inclined to support those who would do the same for their friends and relatives? After all,the more Muslims here the faster they can impose sharia.

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          9. 788eddie September 21, 2016

            “Wouldn’t those given a free ride here more inclined to support those who would do the same for their friends and relatives?”

            That’s a great argument for the wealthy to support the Republican agenda; not so much for the rest of America, though.

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          10. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            That argument works both for Muslims and non Muslims. Those who are brought here on the fast track are likely to be loyal to those people who brought them here. That is just human nature and common sense. Democrats are counting on that gratitude. Do you think that the 850 illegals awaiting deportation that were instead “accidentally” granted citizenship by the Obama administration will bite the hand that let them in? This had nothing to do with Republicans and everything to do with Democrats stopping at nothing to expand their loyal voter base. Stop the bull. You look silly. I wasn’t born yesterday.

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          11. 788eddie September 22, 2016

            THERE IS NO FAST TRACK, Daniel! (Unless you want to count Trump’s wife, Melania).

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          12. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            What would you call 850 illegals on the verge of being deported given citizenship instead,expulsion? By the way Einstein, Melania Trump married an American. That is legal and she didn’t climb a fence to get here………DWEEB!

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          13. 788eddie September 22, 2016

            Then why are there records (i.e. photographs of her modelling) here in this country taken a year before her paperwork went through?

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          14. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            What paperwork? Since when do time and date stamps show up on professionally taken photos using film?

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          15. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            That could possibly be correct if our government were made up of only one party at a time, Daniel. However, all of the agencies making up the government of this great country are made up of civil Cervantes who are registered Republicans, registered Democrats, Independents, and I’m sure also some socialists and white supremacists.

            A person coming into our country will likely be in contact with and and many of these, not just “one brand.”

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          16. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            Your argument could have some validity if it weren’t one party that was pushing to bring them here so quickly. People are like animals in some ways. They are reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them. It is also the DHS,most likely under Obama’s orders who just”accidentally” gave citizenship to 850 people slated for deportation from “countries of concern to national security”. Emails have surfaced showing that shows that the customs and immigration service is pushing to naturalize as many new citizens as possible in time for the election. Do you think that Obama is trying to help Trump or do you think this desperate effort to sway the election is for Hillary? Here is a link to 4,450,000 articles showing the fix is in. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dhs%20will%20bring%20in%20new%20citizens%20before%20election

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          17. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            4,450,000 articles! Wow! That does nothing for me. It doesn’t mean that any of them are correct or reliable in any way.

            As for immigrants, it’s probably the person at the immigration window who smiles at the applicant who will have the most impact.

            And if someone does get citizen status, they don’t automatically get the right to vote. That’s a separate process, depending upon the state in which they eventually choose to settle down.

            I do agree with you that Donald Trump, for those new immigrants who understand English well enough, and who watch news programs probably are not going to be enamored

            of his positions toward immigrants (unless they want to close the door on those coming after them).

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          18. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            You are such a Stepford Democrat. I can’t see how you can say you aren’t in the parties back pocket.

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          19. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            No, Daniel. I’m a registered Republican, and have been since I earned, by coming of age, the right to vote. I am a moderate; not a member of the “rabid-right.”

            I am hoping, that after this election, and after Trump is trounced, to work diligently to eviscerate the Tea Party members and the Freedom Caucus members from the Republican Party and, hopefully, bring back some honor to the GOP.

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          20. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            If you are a Republican then who needs Democrats? You know zero of the tea party or you wouldn’t embarrass yourself like this. I know for a fact that if the word RINO is in the dictionary it should include your photo. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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          21. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            Tea Party? You mean that basically racist group that came into existence only AFTER Barack Obama was elected President by an overwhelming majority of Americans? That Tea Party? Traitors all!

            If Obama were white, the Tea Party would not have even gotten started. The sooner it goes away, the sooner we can remove the stench from the GOP!

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          22. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            Do you mean these white supremacists?……….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd71TEn5E6o

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          23. 788eddie September 22, 2016

            “Impose sharia?” Don’t think so. There’s called a Constitution that might be in the way.

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          24. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            That would be true (for now) if there weren’t a movement in our own government to outlaw free speech. There were two bills “the hate crime reporting act of 2014” (S-2219) and( HR-3878) introduced two years ago to outlaw criticism of Islam. They cover TV,radio,and the internet…………… http://freedomoutpost.com/democrats-muslim-lawmakers-push-sharia-legislation-criminalizing-free-speech-attention-needed-now/…………………………………………..That being said,with Obama violating the constitution 31 times what makes you think that he considers the constitution valid?…………………………https://nworeport.me/2015/12/16/a-list-of-obamas-constitutional-violations/

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          25. 788eddie September 22, 2016

            Sorry, Daniel, but you’re totally off the deep end on this one, along with the “wingers.”

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          26. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            Are you the scarecrow,the tin woodsman or the lion?

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          27. 788eddie September 23, 2016

            Sorry, Daniel, I prefer the real world; the one we all have to live in, and get along in.

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          28. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            Which world is that;the world where Christians are murderers and jihadists don’t exist?

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          29. 788eddie September 23, 2016

            The world where we blame individual murderers for murder, and leave innocent individuals alone.

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          30. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            That is the world you and I both live in. The twilight zone of the jihadist is another dimension that is invading our reality. That is a reality you must recognize.

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          31. 788eddie September 23, 2016

            Blaming innocents is not something that should be condoned – ever. I think we’re better than that.

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          32. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            So you think that jihadists are innocents?

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          33. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            The obvious answer is that not all Muslims are jihadists, Daniel. If fact, our experience is that it’s probably on a ratio of maybe one Skittle in a swimming pool full.

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          34. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            Your answer is partial and lacking. Not all Muslims are jihadists but all jihadists are Muslims. Our (actual) experience is that between 4/14/1972 and 6/13.2016 jihadists killed 2,996 people on American soil………………http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx……………………………………………………..///This is a list of jihadists arrested,indicted, convicted,deported, of jihadist plots or are deceased or on the loose. These numbers are staggering. If you go through these lists and still insist there is no threat,you need your head examined………………http://hstrial-rocketsredglare.homestead.com/-Misunderstanders–Roster.html?_=1438663448952

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          35. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            You point out, Daniel the deaths caused by Muslims over a forty-four year period.

            It pales next to the number of deaths caused each year by Americans who kill other Americans with guns, which is averaging over thirty-two thousand (32,000) a year! It’s not to say that jihadists are not a threat, but let’s be serious about where the REAL threat is.

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          36. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            Lets take this in perspective. 3.3 million Muslims VS 33 million population. Even with an accurate count from you you include suicides,justified shootings by people defending themselves accidental shootings and police shootings. If we use your method of counting Muslims would have to have killed 299,600 people to be noticed by you I also notice that you have inserted guns into the equation. I have a little statistic to share. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/17cfac4f73f06d77527de6174f7cf038166b68d0dd1947bacdb7b64de10f046f.jpg

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          37. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            What is 3.3 million Muslims? What is 33 million population? The number of lemmings who support the NRA?

            non sequitur.

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          38. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            Excuse my typo. I meant 330 million.[ The US population]. You were comparing jihadist Vs American killings. I was attempting to show true perspective. I see that you hate your countrymen so much you take the side of those who want us dead. Thanks for the support.

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          39. 788eddie September 25, 2016

            You’re a disgusting a**, Daniel. I do not hate my countrymen. I’d anyone,it is you with your inbred hate and racism.

            I do not want to blame innocent people, which you seem rather gladly willing to do.

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          40. Daniel Wright September 25, 2016

            I don’t blame innocent people for anything. You are the one who couldn’t care less about the lives of innocent victims of jihad. You pretend that terrorism is no big deal. Sorry,it’s a huge deal. By the way,what racist statement have I made? Please feel free to quote me.

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          41. 788eddie September 23, 2016

            No. A world where individual murderers are blamed for murder, and innocent individuals are not.

            It’s really a simple concept.

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          42. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            Please name an individual that I have accused of murder.

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          43. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            You say, “the left” like it’s an entity. I’m a registered Republican, and a moderate (not a “winger”), and I have no problem with people from other places in the world coming here.

            Considering that our country’s fertility rate has fallen way below replacement rate, in order to maintain our competiveness, will need to get new people from somewhere.

            We should have fixed the immigration issue years ago, but the Republican House made it a xenophobic political issue to “whip up the base.” Not a good move; nov look at the mess we’re in.

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          44. Jim Samaras September 27, 2016

            I agree our fertility rate has fallen and to maintain we DO need immigration. However, we need to pick and choose, much like other countries do, the ones that will be productive and not a burden to society.

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          45. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            McVeigh was an atheist. Your friends are Americanized Muslims who probably can’t quote a single verse from the Quran. Ask them if they have read the sira or the hadith. Do they intend to do the hajj? What are the five pillars?…………https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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          46. 788eddie September 21, 2016

            So, now you want to vet them as Muslims, to see if they’re good Muslims?

            Worry more about your own faith.

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          47. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            Please cite the last time a Christian immigrant to the USA murdered Americans in the name of Christ.

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          48. 788eddie September 22, 2016

            We had murders at a Planned Parenthood by a man babbling Christian lingo earlier this year.

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          49. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            I was referring to actual sane Christians,not a delusional nutcase. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect/………….Your bias and ignorance is obvious. You can’t cite a single case where true devout Christians following the teachings of Christ have ever murdered anyone. Jihadists,on the other hand are doing exactly what the Quran commands when the kill.

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          50. 788eddie September 22, 2016

            As far as I’m concerned, ANY person murdering another person they don’t even know, for some deep seated delusion, be it religious or otherwise, is not sane.

            You want to know that the person who is killing you believes in the “right” God?

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          51. Daniel Wright September 22, 2016

            Change the narrative why don’t you? It was YOU who demonized “Christians” for murders. Now religion is irrelevant? Make up your mind.

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          52. 788eddie September 23, 2016

            No, Daniel. It was you. I am saying murder is bad and not excusable; it was you who want to blame it on one group of people, demonizing all members of that group for the actions of a very small number of people in that group. I am just pointing out that a whole group of people should not be condemned for the actions of a few members of that group, and that members belonging in other groups may also act the same.

            Please condem the action, not the group.

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          53. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            Please show when I said that all Muslims were terrorists. You mentioned “Christian” murders, not me.

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          54. 788eddie September 23, 2016

            I’m saying, it doesn’t matter who; it matters what!

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          55. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            To which “what” do you refer? Your post was a little ambiguous.

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          56. 788eddie September 23, 2016

            If you read my comment above, you’ll see to what I was referring.

            In case you missed it, “ANY person murdering another person.”

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          57. Daniel Wright September 23, 2016

            A person is a who,not a what.

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          58. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            We don’t need “Christian immigrants;” we home grow our own. The man who, earlier this year, shot up a Planned Parenthood would be a “good” example.

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          59. Daniel Wright September 24, 2016

            But we DO need Muslim immigrants? And you didn’t answer my question.

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          60. AgLander September 20, 2016

            That’s the problem….The Bible is a compilation of books from approximately two dozen authors. Muslims consider the Koran as the work of one author, Allah, and therefore has no wiggle room for interpretation. It is taught as concrete doctrine dictated directly by god to Muhammed.. Ask any Muslim….they will confirm it.

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          61. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

            Good point!

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          62. 788eddie September 20, 2016

            One author, or many authors, Ag, to many Christians, the Bible is the inspired work of God, and holds for us as strong a meaning as I would assume that the Koran holds for Muslims.

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          63. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            The new testament has no command to spread the gospel by the sword. The Quran does just that.

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          64. 788eddie September 21, 2016

            Again, just in case you didn’t get it: to many Christians, THE BIBLE is the inspired work of God, and holds for
            us as strong a meaning as I would assume that the Koran holds for Muslims.

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          65. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            Absolutely true. However,for some reason you failed to mention a few “minor” details. The Bible says to love your enemy and turn the other cheek. The Quran commands that Muslims should pretend to be your friend to your face while cursing you in their hearts,to lie to you if the lie advances Islam: To dominate non believers and impose a 50% tax for non conversion. The Quran commands that Muslims live their lives just like the “ideal” person [Muhammad]did. He was a war lord who married under age girls,stole his own son’s wife,ordered assassinations of his critics, raided caravans,beheaded prisoners, enslaved children,turned Christian girls and women into sex slaves after killing their fathers and husbands,declared that women were property like livestock and were weak minded, proscribed beatings as the way to keep your wife in line,executed homosexuals and apostates. Is that enough or do you need evidence from more authoritative sources? I know many.

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          66. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            Muslims are also instructed to live their lives just as Muhammad. Muhammad,the jihadist,warlord, assassin, and conqueror.

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          67. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

            Yes, one of the most obvious differences is that most Christian leaders have evolved, and often explain passages like the one I provided, as metaphors for something else, while many Islamic scholars still cling to the mindset that existed centuries ago.

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          68. AgLander September 20, 2016

            Your ignorance in understanding the stark difference in the way the two books are received, both as their originating source and the resulting effect on the way they are taught to the faithful is appalling but not surprising…..

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          69. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

            Your efforts to demonize an entire religion, and culture, is deplorable.

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          70. AgLander September 20, 2016

            Your transparent effort to make an argument built on deliberate obfuscation, assigning false equivalents and outright mistruths is beyond deplorable.

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          71. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

            Your opinion, and total lack of objectivity, let alone knowledge or an elementary sense of humanity, are the reason we are hated or ridiculed by so many people worldwide.

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          72. AgLander September 20, 2016

            ….while your vacillation and outward weakness are the reason we have tread marks on our face and chest as a nation, courtesy of those who want to do us harm and laugh at little sunshine boys like yourself who believe waving a popsicle and a smile at the bad actors out there is the magic cure.

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          73. charleo1 September 20, 2016

            Don’t confuse one’s not being a raving lunatic, with being weak.
            Did you ever see a Mussolini speech? I’m sure you have. The arms poised on hips, chin stuck up in the air, a boxer’s stance at the podium. As the hate, and demagoguery, and scapegoating spewed out the man like a fire hose. A lot of people made the mistake then of confusing bluster for strength. Do you know any such persons?

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          74. AgLander September 20, 2016

            Add Mussolini to the war chest of words used by you hapless lib Democrats to go along with bigot, racist, sexist, homophobe, Islamophobe, Nazi and Hitler aimed at others more skilled and intelligent than you when trying to short circuit any discussion you find yourself unable to produce a winning argument, which is often……the humor is on you, because those words are used so often by you and your kind that they have lost their dictionary meaning and now simply indicate you have fallen and can’t get up!

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          75. I Am Helpy September 20, 2016

            “How dare they point out my racism!” – a thin-skinned delicate neo-Nazi.

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          76. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            Your ignorance of the true nature of Islam is par for the left wing course…………https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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          77. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            The new testament has not evolved. The Quran hasn’t either. Spreading the gospel by word of mouth and spreading Islam by conquest and murder are to different concepts altogether.

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          78. 788eddie September 20, 2016

            Thank you, Dominick for helping out here. My wife and I have been in a Bible study group recently, and I can testify to the fact that your quoted passages are but a small part of some of the horrors found in the old testament.

            It was an eye-opener from our own Christian Bible.

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          79. AgLander September 20, 2016

            He didn’t help….unless you consider obfuscating as help.

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          80. 788eddie September 20, 2016

            Get thee to church, woman!

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          81. AgLander September 20, 2016

            Get thee a working brain or perish!

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          82. 788eddie September 20, 2016

            “I know you are, but what am I?”

            Lame.

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          83. 788eddie September 24, 2016

            Lame racist comment.

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          84. AgLander September 20, 2016

            …and pray tell, do you find any of those verses being taught in literal fashion in churches and synagogues by priests, rabbis and ministers? I’m waiting for your reply……sound of crickets.

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          85. charleo1 September 20, 2016

            Talk to the 100s of thousands of Biblical Literalists in this Country.
            “Remove the beam from thine own eye, so you may remove the splinter from thy Brother’s.” What does that mean to you? Figuratively speaking of course.

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          86. AgLander September 20, 2016

            Pray tell…….when was the last time you heard of a hijackers flying planes into buildings while crying out “Praise Jesus”…..when was the last time you heard of a soldier at Ft. Hood shooting his fellow soldiers in cold blood while yelling “Praise Jesus”……when was the last time you saw gruesome videos of beheadings by savages yelling “Praise Jesus”……..when was the last time you heard of ANYONE committing genocide while screaming “Praise Jesus”???? When was the last time you felt foolish for making an argument that was built on a house of cards? Hint……it was just a couple minutes ago!!

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          87. charleo1 September 20, 2016

            I’ve never heard what Tim McVey might have said, as he blew up the FBI Building in OK, City. But he was pretty unrepentant about it. Probably something about damning the Federal Gov. It’s a religion among some factions. And his victims were just as innocent, and just as gone forever. So let’s start with turning everyone upside down in this country, for any old reason, and see what falls out of their pockets? Listen to their phone calls, inspect their bank accounts, put cameras in the places of worship, and start a program that rewards those who turn in their neighbors for investigation of suspicion of anything that might be construed as unAmerican? And then we’ll see how your anti terror program works. Would you like that? It might make you safer, if you keep your head down, and your mouth shut? Or not.

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          88. AgLander September 20, 2016

            Sorry…..as much as you’d like to find an example, any example to somehow offset (in your mind) the thousands of Allah Akbar’s committed since 9-11, you can’t. Why don’t you go to the figurative shallow end of the pool until you can get your thoughts together!

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          89. Dominick Vila September 20, 2016

            Read my response to Jim on that subject. In my opinion, most Christian leaders have evolved, and often explain passages such as the ones I provided, as metaphors for something else. Some Imams, Mullahs, and Ayatollahs remain fixated on the same mindset that existed centuries ago.
            Unfortunately, some of our politicians seem to be more inclined to emulate the extreme ideology embraced by some Islamic scholars, than heed to the conclusions reached by Christian leaders, such as Pope Francis.

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          90. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            Those passages are from the old testament. We are not under the law [Mosaic]. We are under grace. In the Quran,on the other hand the older peaceful passages written in mecca are abrogated by the newer violent ones written in mecca………https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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  5. AgLander September 20, 2016

    Islam is in need of a major reformation. Despite the head in the sand liberals who would have us believe otherwise and that we are somehow to blame here are just one month’s worth of deadly stats worldwide.

    Islamic Jihad Report for August, 2016

    Attacks: 203
    Killed: 1,637
    Injured: 1,734
    Bombings: 29
    Countries: 33

    There’s more….much more.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.aspx#Attacks

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    1. Bosda, The Raccoon Philosopher September 20, 2016

      Liberalsssss….LIBERALSSSSSS!, you have to hiss when you say it!
      Just like a Lizard!
      Or Dick Cheney!
      If you don’t, Sarah Palin will call you a RINO!

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  6. charleo1 September 20, 2016

    Something I would hope Americans would realize, as we endure, and try to understand these incidents of domestic terror. And of course, seek to deal with them in the most effective way. Is that there has developed within our midst, both here and in other countries, two coalitions on this. One, an extremely small number of domestic, largely internet inflamed, perhaps radicalized all by themselves, Muslim youth. Within a larger community of overwhelmingly law abiding, patriotic, grateful to be in America, minority population of 2nd, and 3rd generation, Muslim-Americans. Who are every bit as horrified, and in danger of these random attacks as any other group.
    I would hope most Americans would remember this, and keep this in mind. As all of our anti-terrorism experts tell us this is key. That we not meet radicalism with radicalism. Violence with violence. And turn on our Muslim friends, and allies who are with America, not against her in this struggle.

    The second coalition consists of our own homegrown, Islamophobes, Nationalists, Interventionists, Militarists. Racists, and Cultural Purists, and opportunistic politicians, with a few prophesy spewing, end of days Televangelists throw in for good measure. Who are all, both of these coalitions, fanning the same flames of fear, hate, and mistrust of the other, or the poorly understood. To advance their own respective political advantages, and power. And so to defeat terrorism we must see terrorism for what it is. A tactic that both coalitions are using in their own ways, toward their own ends. As recruiters of many of the same likeminded persons. The malcontents, those that feel as though they’ve been left behind, the angry, poorly informed, and the ideologically ridged. Those easily swayed into seeing violence as the only recourse. Or, being persuaded of dark conspiracies that are being planned, and perpetrated by entire groups of people. All with deep seeded animuses, and directly targeted at them, their way of life, their religion, their heritage, their Country, and kin.
    And we would also hopefully recognize that both are proposing the same extremist solution of all out war. Of oppression of indigenous populations, vigilantism, mass incarceration, ethnic cleansing, and finally genocide of the “offending” religion, and culture. And both hope to make us all by our silence, a complicit party in evil.

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    1. AgLander September 20, 2016

      ….ideologically “ridged”? Is that a painful form of psoriasis? May be you caught it from your head being exposed to all that sand it was buried in!!

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      1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

        Look at yourself as an example. See if you find any room for views in that thick as board head of yours, other than those of your own. In this whole wide World as you view it, you are in step, everybody else is out. You have truth in the palm of your hand. Whereas others not of your opinion, are dullards, and dolts of the lowest order of decidedly questionable intent. That’s ideological rigidity.

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        1. AgLander September 20, 2016

          Right back at you……you suffer from the well documented disease that afflicts most liberals…..big mouths and little ears.

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          1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

            Say something intelligent and worth listening to, and test that theory. I dare you!

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    2. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

      Perhaps that within this “larger community of overwhelmingly law abiding, patriotic, grateful to be in America, minority population of 2nd, and 3rd generation, Muslim-Americans. Who are every bit as horrified, and in danger of these random attacks as any other group” there would rise a few leaders that would denounce these animals and actually do something about it, Americans may sympathize with them. I see no such actions therefore I must categorize them in the same vain as the radicals.

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      1. AgLander September 20, 2016

        That makes way, way too much sense so you must be a bigot, racist and Islamaphobe! Oh, and don’t forget Nazi…we can’t forget Nazi because that’s one of their favorite slurs used.

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        1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

          No he’s not. And if you will notice, I didn’t call Jim any of those things. But I always say in your case, if the shoe fits….

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      2. charleo1 September 20, 2016

        Well Jim, you’re either not looking for denunciations, or you prefer not to hear them. Either way, you’re playing to the goal of the terrorist. Who want you to think exactly like you seem to be thinking. In terms of them, their methods, and policies representing that of all Muslims. When the fact is, the personnel we charge with the very daunting, almost impossible task of keeping us safe. Tell us the vast majority of the plots that have been identified, and prevented, has been because of persons within the Muslim Community coming forward and informing authorities before a tragedy could take place. The experts all agree. The cooperation of the Muslim Community, the vast majority who they describe just as I described, are essential, in the efforts of law enforcement, and intelligence agencies efforts to stop as many of these very small, very covert, and random attacks as is humanly possible. So they are, the Muslims are doing something about it. So what response do think the terrorist is going for? And why? If we’re hateful, and dumb as dirt about this. And go about insisting on blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few. And then proceed on that falsehood to institute a general policing/surveillance/incarceration action against Muslims as some seem to be suggesting. What do you think will happen? What would you do if you were a Muslim? Think it might incentivize you to turn in the the radicalized among your community, or possible terror attack? Or just let it happen? Listen, what your thinking will lead to is confirming everything the radical jihadist is saying about you, the American Imperialists, the U.S. War Monger, the hegemonic Christians, and Jews allied around the World in a undeclared religious war to wipe them the Muslim out. And so on… Is that what you want? Think that’s in anyone’s best interests? The way to take the fire out of the extremist recruiting propaganda? Really?

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        1. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

          I watch many news sources charleo and have never seen a celebration of the fact that a Muslim has indeed prevented any random acts of terror. If I had then perhaps my feelings would be different. What I did see on todays news however was the father of the latest pos looking confused and obviously hiding SOMETHING that he knew about the boy and maybe the younger brother sitting next to him with a sheepish look on his face. Now I know this does not prove guilt but if that had been MY dad he would have shown the anger deserved for such a vile act of terrorism on the behalf of his son.

          If people of my heritage were committing these atrocious acts of terror I would gladly comply with whatever measures were implemented to not only exonerate myself but to keep my fellow Americans safe, my own personal civil liberties be damned.

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          1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

            Check our own intelligence reports. Listen to those on the front lines trying to find these killers, these lone wolves, and prevent these random attacks in a Country as big as ours. We must have the help of the people in these communities. And we must not let our rhetoric
            push more of these young men into committing these acts. It’s only being smart.. So say the non political experts.

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          2. Jim Samaras September 20, 2016

            I don’t see our “political rhetoric” pushing anyone into these random acts of violence that’s a point we disagree on. It sounds like the the lefts political rhetoric to me. We can’t prevent them all but we can make punishment severe and justice swift to dissuade these barbarians from further assaults. We ARE straying a bit from our American values a bit I admit but as I said in an earlier post I would be willing to give up some of my civil liberties to stop this madness. Drastic times call for drastic measures and in this case I do believe the ways justify the means.

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          3. charleo1 September 20, 2016

            I suggest you don’t see it, because it’s rhetoric’s not directed at you, or blaming, or claiming you agree with what’s being done. If it was, I imagine you’d feel differently. Does that make sense to you on any level? As to punishment, they commit these acts in most cases fully aware they are not going to survive them. So we then unjustly punish individuals who look like the perps, or have the same religion? And do you see that as in keeping with the way we do things? With how we believe justice is carried out? Look, when we give up our own protections of our freedoms for any reason, the ones who cause us out of fear to do that win, and we lose. Does that make any sense to you? It is what the terrorist propaganda is telling the volunteers that are doing the bombing. That we Americans are hypocrites, and cowards. That punching a few of us in the nose will cower the rest. So, what does giving up ‘a few of our civil liberties,” look like to you? And what guarantees that will stop the madness?
            Or that there even exists a silver bullet that will stop the madness?

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          4. Jim Samaras September 21, 2016

            Ever since 9/11 we have given up many liberties. Like the ability to walk into a ballpark, airport, concert or any public venue without the surveillance of government. It’s just the way it was and is going forward. What’s next? If it’s racial and religious profiling so be it! I know that goes against American principles but if that’s what it takes it’s a small price to pay for security. I don’t know charleo but letting more in and welcoming them is NOT the answer. Killing them with kindness is NOT the answer. Negotiation is NOT the answer. No guarantees of anything I suppose but what we’re doing is not working so I, for one, am open to new ideas. Do you have any?

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          5. charleo1 September 21, 2016

            First, I don’t see eye to eye with your assertion that what we are doing is not working. The larger, more easily provable case being, that an ideologically entrenched, and determined enemy will find a way to hit an open society no matter how closely the police, and intelligence apparatus keeps tabs on the population at large. Even if there is proliferate use of profiling, or the culling out of particular common groups, minus their 4th Amendment Protections against such. Giving permission to such tactics only serves to weaken those same protections for us all. So no matter how attractive profiling might sound in theory, there’s just no way getting around its big government/police empowering precedence. And to your point of terrorism, or more accurately, the prospect of falling victim to it. Does challenge, and sometimes by necessity, limit freedoms we enjoyed in the past. But I don’t count these freedoms we’ve lost as small sacrifices, as much as I see them as tribute to the effectiveness of asymmetrical warfare carried out on societies that put great value on not only their liberties, and privacies, but also on protecting the individual lives of each and every one of their citizenry.
            So the key to dealing with terrorism, is balance, and the acceptance that it is a threat, that in all likelihood, will be with us in one form or another, for a very long time. We are a strong country. But we have neither the troops, nor the resources, to go around the World killing, and bombing our way out of terrorism. As we found out in Iraq, such actions would create terrorist, and terrorists groups faster than we could possibly kill them. So it is up to us to strike a balance between deterrent, and sacrifice, liberty, and security, attack, and reasonable response, that is driven by the size the threat, and not it’s perceived size, or the possibilities that creep into our fevered minds on dark nights, and urge drastic action.

            As we cannot stop a bad dream, we cannot kill every would be terrorist. We cannot protect every port, every shopping mall,
            or every power grid. Just as we also cannot afford to alienate Muslim populations around the World, nor here at home. With the sense we are launching some kind of anti-Musiim-pro-Christian Crusade, or purge here in America. I’m going with the experts on this. Who say such a perception would be a disaster that would work against all our progress in obtaining the information here and abroad to seek out and stop these attacks before they happen, And they also warn it would increase the frequency of domestic attacks.

            I say, it’s obvious we must balance our darkest fears that demand security. And our civil liberties without which, we cease to be free.
            We cannot allow every bank account, phone, or e-mail conversation, or trip abroad, to be routinely and unconstitutionally monitored by authorities without probable cause, on suspicion. Or else, what we create will be just as bad, or worse, than the most terrible event perpetuated by any terrorist act we might imagine. We will have, out of our own fear, mistrust, and paranoia run amuck, created an unaccountable, intrusively oppressive, and wholly tyrannous State. And worse, the terrorists will have achieved their goals, beyond their wildest jihad, virgin filled dreams. With us doing most of their bloody work for them.

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          6. Jim Samaras September 21, 2016

            I agree with your assessment charleo, it is a very slippery slope. I do believe that part of the “vetting” process should be the ability to be self sufficient when entering this country be it in the form of a trade or technical ability that will add to the nations greatness instead of being a drain to our resources. Busy hands are usually happy hands not thinking about destruction but on self betterment.

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          7. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            This is what motivates Muslims to commit jihad……..https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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  7. Earnest Comment September 20, 2016

    The muslim immigrant community is where terrorism comes from.

    The fact that it took like five minutes to identify and catch this animal is pretty much well.proof positive that our police and homeland security apparatus is already focused on these guys.

    It’s not fear mongering to assume that the people that hate the bus are liberally seeding immigrants from muslim countries with a fifth column if terrorists.

    This guy simmered for years before connecting with a terror network and trying to kill American women and children.

    It’s a great circular argument…most terrorism in the world cones from muslims from certain places. So you keep an eye on muslims from those places. By keeping an eye in these potentially high probability targets you make them feel bad. So because they feel bad they return to their normative terrorist behavior.

    You either don’t watch them so they can plot in peace and find out about them when something goes boom and people die or you keep an eye in them which makes them mad but deny them the opportunity to hatch really good plots so maybe you catch em before their hasty plans grow into something that can kill more people.

    I’m sorry that american muslims feel persecuted. maybe if they’d declare zero tolerance for these terrorists living in their communities and attending their mosques no one would have to set that standard for them.

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  8. 788eddie September 20, 2016

    I have heard it said that Fox is the National Enquirer of broadcast media.

    I think that’s about right.

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  9. AgLander September 20, 2016

    It is much easier to act as if critics of Islam have a problem with Muslims as people, than it is to accept the uncomfortable truth about the deep seated problems that Islam is infected with. The former requires no action other than verbally attacking those who speak to the reality of the situation, the latter requires action…..something liberals loathe because that would take effort (work)!

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    1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

      It’s in that wrongheaded action that would make the situation worse, is what our own intelligence agencies are saying. And they are Liberals? And you know better than they do? That is my problem with assessments like yours.

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      1. AgLander September 20, 2016

        Thanks for confirming my assessment in how the liberal (lazy) mind works! I hope you have a nice bed that you use to hide under…..

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        1. Sand_Cat September 20, 2016

          Thanks for confirming all of our opinion that you are an ignorant, bigoted creep in no position to criticize anyone.

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          1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

            Learn…………………………https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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  10. Beethoven September 20, 2016

    Those of you commenters who call yourselves Christians, should consider this: One of the Ten Commandments says “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” If you bear false witness against a neighbor, you have willfully committed a sin, which is strong proof that you are not truly committed to obeying God and Jesus Christ. In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus taught that even people we consider “different” or “wrong” or “others” are also our neighbors. So if you bear false witness against any fellow citizen of your country, or even a resident, whether legal or illegal, you are committing a sin. Bearing false witness means telling something about another person that is a lie, that will (or may) cause injury to the other person’s reputation. Note that it doesn’t matter whether you believe what you tell, all that matters is that it is not true and that it might cause harm to the other person. And if you merely repeat a falsehood that someone else has said, you are as guilty of sin as the person who told it to you. But if you spread a falsehood against another person with the intent that it will cause harm to the other person, your sin is even worse than if you merely spread the falsehood through ignorance without thinking of the consequences of your action.
    One final comment: If you continue to willfully commit sins, do you have any right to call yourself a Christian?

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    1. AgLander September 20, 2016

      The wolf in sheep’s clothing! You offer a timely example of one of that select group that is the least religious among us, yet feel so comfortable in lecturing those who are on a subject (faith in the Creator) that you look upon with derision and contempt!

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      1. charleo1 September 20, 2016

        Do you even know what a wolf in sheep’s clothing is? Or the Book to which commenter, “Beethoven,” is quoting from?

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      2. Beethoven September 20, 2016

        You are a prime example of what I’m talking about. To quote Jonathan Swift (who was quoting an old proverb), “There are none so blind as those who will not see.” Or as Jeremiah 5:21 says it, “Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.”

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        1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

          Do you have eyes? Read this. https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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        2. AgLander September 21, 2016

          Here’s another quote for you, religious poser…recognize the author? It’s you!
          “I expect my family to have my funeral at the funeral home chapel. But unlike most funerals held there, my wish is that no preachers are asked to speak, only my good friends, and that no overtly religious music be played.”

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      3. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

        Here is something to spread. https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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    2. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

      Learn Mr. uninformed……. https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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      1. Thoughtopsy September 21, 2016

        I note you avoided Beethoven’s entire point and diverted to something else.
        Sad.

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        1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

          How is warning ignorant people of a danger they are oblivious to bearing false witness?

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          1. Thoughtopsy September 26, 2016

            You still haven’t answered his point.
            Diversion gets you derision.

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          2. Daniel Wright September 26, 2016

            His point was that warning ignorant people of a danger is bearing false witness. What diversion? Telling the truth isn’t lying. That is MY point. Do you disagree?

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        2. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

          Take a lesson from a renowned expert on Islam. You are sadly uninformed…………https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk

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          1. Thoughtopsy September 26, 2016

            Who this guy… who’s real name you don’t even appear to know?
            (Hint: It’s Bill French)
            http://www.alternet.org/story/151738/10_of_america's_most_dangerous_hatemongers

            Looks like a sterling example of humanity.

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          2. Daniel Wright September 26, 2016

            So you think that Islam is really a peaceful religion full of well intentioned people coming here to be part of the melting pot and follow American law above sharia. OK have it your way. Die in your ignorance.

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    3. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

      So you deny that there are jihadists in the USA? All the stories about Muslims killing people are just lies designed to demonize innocent people?

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  11. Jon September 20, 2016

    Fox News lies and distorts the truth to promote its right wing agenda. That’s not exactly breaking news. I have never known a time since its inception that Fox News did anything but lie and distort the truth.

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    1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

      No comment. That kind of ignorance doesn’t deserve one.

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  12. Thoughtopsy September 20, 2016

    It would appear that no matter who commits a terrorist act, they will always “be” an Immigrant… even when the vast number of attacks in the US have nothing to do with immigrants, jihadists or Muslims…
    All this hyperbolic screaming about Islamic threats is just so sad and pointless.

    http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-09-01-1472759565-493250-extreme_extreme_vetting.jpg

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    1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

      The reason for these facts wouldn’t have any thing to do with the fact that 99.9% of all jihadists are in the middle east now would it?

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      1. Thoughtopsy September 21, 2016

        LOL I’d say it’s highly likely. I’d also posit that there are enough crazy white supremacists and racist confederates to supply violence, murder and terrorism without having to worry about whether you’re importing it.

        Lawnmowers also appear to look at bit shifty.

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        1. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

          Taking that percentage at face value: in a world population of 1,600,000,000 Muslims,there are an estimated 7% that engage in jihad. The total number of jihadists would then be 11,200,000 worldwide. 0.1% of that would equal 11,200 [eleven thousand two hundred] jihadists in the USA. It took only nine to pull 9-11 off. What do think over a thousand times more jihadists could do? I don’t believe those numbers are near that high as of now,but Obama and Hillary are certainly pushing for more and more every day. You certainly take a strange position on people who have sworn to their god to convert, enslave, or kill you.

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    2. Daniel Wright September 21, 2016

      Here are some numbers from a researcher rather than an opinion piece from a left wing columnist. https://apholt.com/2016/01/11/right-wing-extremism-vs-islamic-extremism-in-the-united-states-a-look-at-the-numbers/

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  13. 788eddie September 24, 2016

    I have heard it said that Fox is the National Enquirer of broadcast media.

    (I’m not sure that Fox comes up to that level.)

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