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This Week In Crazy: Michele Bachmann Says Goodbye

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This Week In Crazy: Michele Bachmann Says Goodbye

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Welcome to “This Week In Crazy,”  The National Memo’s weekly update on the wildest attacks, conspiracy theories, and other loony behavior from the increasingly unhinged right wing. Starting with number five:

5. Montana Legislature

For years, Republicans have been warning their constituents about the looming threat represented by Sharia law. But some of them might find that they like parts of the rules. Specifically, the dress code.

On Friday, the GOP leadership of Montana’s state legislature sent a memo to members laying out the proper attire for legislative business. The instructions for men take all of 22 words.

But the women’s dress code is a bit more complicated. It takes several bullet points, and contains helpful reminders like “open-toe sandals are not considered appropriate,” “leggings are not considered dress pants,” and “women should be sensitive to skirt lengths and necklines.”

Montana Memo

(Yes, they did forget number 6.)

Unsurprisingly, the instructions sparked controversy. House Minority Whip Jenny Eck (D-Helena) derided it as “right out of the 19th Century,” and wondered “How would it be enforced? Would the sergeant of arms be the clothes police, checking our skirt lengths and cleavage?”

Meanwhile, Florida Republicans are presumably wondering whether or not they could come to work in their Rick Scott dresses.

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Henry Decker

Henry Decker was formerly the Managing Editor of The National Memo. He is currently an Online Associate at MRCampaigns.

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  1. Dominick Vila December 12, 2014

    I reckon torture is not the only similarity between ultra conservative orthodoxy and Islamic conservatism…
    Should we breathe a sigh of relief knowing that they have not yet reached the psychotic state that leads to beheading?

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    1. FT66 December 12, 2014

      You never know Dominick, when you hear they are insisting they will do it again, you never know what the following step they will take!

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  2. Eleanore Whitaker December 12, 2014

    I find Bachmannistan is one of those conservatives who went so far past the extremes, she was no longer capable of seeing she’d passed the limits of extremism.

    I never ever put much faith in this type of woman. She tries to appear as if she is “speaking her mind.” In reality, she is speaking through the prisms of extremist ideology. When her Tea Party tried to present itself as the embodiment of purified partisanship, it failed for one reason: The Tea Party is Koch billionaire travesty to gain ultimate control of this country.

    Isn’t that what Hitler did too? He first massed a small group of like minded extremists and then like the 12 apostles, sent them out to preach their brand of Aryan Nation hate. This is how I see Charles and David Koch, 2 men who have turned wealth into a mechanism of autonomous power in the extreme. They buy the politicians they want and by association, the government they want and that includes the lunatic fringe who can no longer even identify their own extremist views. As German went into frenzy over Hitler and his promises, so too do extremists in the US.

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    1. idamag December 12, 2014

      I see the similarities, also.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker December 13, 2014

        The problem with US extremists is that most are mentally unstable. They walk around with an “I’ll get you!” attitude. Is that really sane? They can’t must a single moment of peace or tranquility for their gross need to incite, divide and create unnecessary controversy. This includes men who perceive themselves as royalty.

        The same attitude “I’ll get you!” was the attitude of Hitler. Now, the GOP has ultimate control and you just know with their past records of failures, the end result will be devastating for them more than us.

        Americans are angry and rightfully so. No one of us works with nothing to show for it …ever. But, in typical red state Plantation mentalities, the GOP promotes this very badly conceived culture that we should all work with no expectation of ever having anything to show for our work efforts..Yeah..like that’ll ever happen.

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        1. Independent1 December 13, 2014

          What to me is a real shame, is that millions of Democrats and Independents sat back and let 17% of the registered voters, put our government in the situation for the next 2 years that will have all of us struggling through the political idiocies of what are called today’s Republicans. It’s really a travesty that moderate and sensible Republicans have allowed their party to be taken over by the extremists that you’ve been describing.

          And like Idamag, I can see the the resemblances to Hitler’s regime. I saw that particularly in Rachel Maddows expose of what the GOP was doing to suppress voting in North Carolina. Some of the actions of Republicans there clearly painted a picture for me of what Germany must have gone through as Hitler was working to subvert Germany.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker December 13, 2014

            Actually, that’s not quite the true picture. Recently, in my local NJ paper, there was a map that clearly outlined states and voting numbers. The reality is that the blue states in the 2014 election were outnumbered by the red states.

            But, what should horrify ALL Americans is why the GOP had such a large majority of states voting red. None of those that voted GOP were not already red states historically.

            The horror of Citizens United is the subtle takeover of this country by deep pockets like the Koch Bois. They bought the government they want.

            You know what’s coming next. Now that the GOP has ultimate control, the Koch dictators will finally out themselves for the control and power freaks they really are.

            It remains to be seen what Main Street Americans will do to fight for their right to a living wage, buying power not price gouged to death and having access to affordable healthcare.

            The battle between “them” and “us” is inevitable. We do not ever work a lifetime with nothing to show for our work efforts. The GOP Plantation mentalities are desperate to force us to work and have zero to show for our labors.

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          2. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Yeah! But if you look at the voting, even in the Red States, quite a number of the Republicans who won senate seats won by very small margins – in fact, a number of them had to go to recounts. So that had more Dems or Independents turned out – the Dems could have retained their Senate majority.

            And aside from the senate seats and some governorships, the GOP basically lost every Senate race in a Blue State and every single ballot initiative – including all the personhood initiatives and even the min wage initiatives in red states.

            The 2014 election clearly sent a message to the GOP that the American populace is not happy- even more than 50% of Republicans are so upset with our government that they didn’t bother to vote. The Senate seats won by the GOP (all in Red States) were won with just 17% of registered voters when 37% of American voters are registered as Republicans.

            And even here in Maine where the GOP did take over one of the Houses, the margin of victory was very small and in fact, somehow, 21 ballots magically appeared and initially snatched victory that had been declared for a Democrat. There were 21 ballots, all magically voting for the Republican that no one could figure out where they came from, yet the new leader in the House insisted on declaring the Republican a winner and questioned why Democrats couldn’t except the fact the Republican won based on these phantom ballots.

            Fortunately, based on the insistence of basically the Maine population, an investigation was began and finally concluded that the 21 phantom ballots didn’t really exist – somehow these 21 ballots were existing ballots that somehow ‘magically’ got counted twice in order to give the Republican the victory. There is absolutely no dirty tricks that the GOP won’t play to win.

            And although you may have seen this, I take some encouragement from the article written by a GOP columnist from the Red State of Texas. This was his closing summary:

            “It is almost too late for Republicans to participate in shaping the next wave of our economic and political transformation. The opportunities we inherited coming out of the Reagan Era are blinking out of existence one by one while we chase so-called “issues” so stupid, so blindingly disconnected from our emerging needs that our grandchildren will look back on our performance in much the same way that we see the failures of the generation that fought desegregation. Something, some force, some gathering of sane, rational, authentically concerned human beings generally at peace with reality must emerge in the next four to six years from the right, or our opportunity will be lost for a long generation. Needless to say, Greg Abbott and Jodi Ernst are not that force. ‘Winning’ this election did not help that force emerge.”

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          3. Eleanore Whitaker December 14, 2014

            Those very small margins should be questioned. If those margins are like the ones that occurred in the election of 2004, it may be that a lot of “undocumented votes” were shoved under the rug to make the GOP candidate appear to be the winner. We, in NJ, learned how dirty the GOP can play in elections when hundreds of Rutger students voted and those votes were “thrown out” as invalid or “not counted.”

            All of those chads and crinkled votes in Florida, the one state that Bush’s brother Jeb just happened to be Governor of at that time begged for an investigation.

            What the GOP wants, they believe they will go to any lengths, even illegal ones to get. This is how desperate they are for absolute power.

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          4. Independent1 December 14, 2014

            I couldn’t agree more with every word you just posted.

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          5. Eleanore Whitaker December 14, 2014

            We both know that crooks in this country have no consciences. It’s up to we, the high minded and still honest Americans to return the righteousness of honesty to the altar upon which it should always be respected.

            Five years from now, the GOP will have rued the day they follow the leadership of the Koch Tea Party and Americans for Prosperity. Crooks never believe their are limits on anything. The younger generation will get fed up working with nothing to show for their labors. That’s when the crooks in this country get their come uppance, if not sooner than later.

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          6. Independent1 December 14, 2014

            You said:” We both know that crooks in this country have no consciences. It’s up to we, the high minded and still honest Americans to return the righteousness of honesty to the altar upon which it should always be respected.”

            I agree with those comments completely. And in trying to uphold that recently on another blog thread, I feel like I should apologize to many non troll NM posters and followers for my rants against ‘itsfun’ who I’m convinced is nothing but an insidious paid troll who incenses me with his constant pathological lying intended only to incite disagreement that distract other NM posters from exchanging their “honest opinions”. It’s really gotten to the point where I feel Disqus should be stepping in and restraining these trolls from posting on the NM.

            I also agree with your assessment that today’s members of the GOP are nothing more than crooks: I consider the GOP as nothing more than equivalent to the Italian Mafia – the only difference is, that rather than admitting that their crooks, like the Mafia, these GOP members hide behind the facade of being politicians.

            While they go about their thievery of the American taxpayer; doing everything they can via their political position to channel money from the American taxpayer’s pocket to the wealthy who in term channel it into their pockets. Today’s political Republicans are doing nothing but playing a shell game – now you see it, now you don’t with us taxpayer’s money.

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          7. Eleanore Whitaker December 15, 2014

            I wouldn’t worry about these trolls. Most are not mentally well balanced. That’s obvious from their posts. I believe that they maintain a right wing controversial adversarial position out of sheer neurotic need for attention they never get at home. Trolls like Joe Schmomo, CPA and DebbyBoy/KennyGirl are not mentally well put together.

            The minute they set foot out of bed, they find something or someone to attack..mentally ill? What else.

            This isn’t a problem for those of us who can spot these nut cases. Too often, the more naive fall for these nut jobs lies and deceptions. All we have to do is remember that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and other dictators have done the same and you see how their mental illness becomes a national problem.

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  3. itsfun December 12, 2014

    We just have to hope our enemies can’t use this as a effective recruitment tool. They may even learn new techniques to use after reading this. The report raises many questions. Why were the lawyers for the prisoners comments put in the reports, and not one person in the CIA was asked about the honesty of the prisoners or were even asked one question about what happened. The CIA had the approval of the President, the Justice Department before any actions were done. We need to remember when and why these actions took place. We has just lost over 3000 lives to terrorists. The whole country had seen on TV two building collapse and saw people running for their lives and people trying to save lives. We had to find out who did this before they did it again. Emotions were a lot different then. Now after years of fighting terrorists, watching Americans get their heads cut off, we have the doves whining about us trying to save American lives. The idea is to win not lose. This report is putting more Americans and their families in danger. I wonder how people will feel when the young children of CIA agents are captured and have their heads chopped off.

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    1. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

      7 years after 9/11 we were still using torture. This is not what was approved. We have the words on the record. I don’t want emotions to be how we run our country.

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      1. itsfun December 12, 2014

        I don’t think anyone wants to run the country on emotions, we just need to remember the mind set of the American public right after 9/11 before we criticize what our response was. The reporters also should have at least talked to the CIA before deciding everything they were told was true. I truly fear the reprisals we may suffer because of this report.

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        1. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

          6 million pages of records were reviewed. The CIA has reported to congress numerous times on the subject. Did the facts change? It’s the American people that didn’t know what was going on, the rest of the world was aware of it and the people that were tortured didn’t have to be told. The right wing media wants the country run on emotions, they want us to be scared so we watch them and believe what they say. The right wing in government want us scared so they can us their power to control us. The Gun company want us to be scared so we buy guns to protect us. The religious right want us to fear God so they can control us. There are a lot of people who don’ want you to think to much, they want you to believe.

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          1. itsfun December 12, 2014

            What were we suppose to do after the 9/11 attack? Should we apologize to the terrorist and give them our country?

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          2. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

            Does becoming terrorist ourselves bring back those lives? Did invading the wrong country and loosing another 4000 lives make things better? Did stripping us of our freedoms by the Patriot Act improve things? We let the terrorists win by making us live in fear. Doing the wrong things for the right reasons still makes them wrong.

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          3. itsfun December 12, 2014

            Nothing brings back lost lives, We didn’t invade any wrong countries What freedoms have we been stripped of. We are giving the terrorist ammunition by publishing reports like this though. I am not saying torture was a good thing, just saying we should try to understand the mood of our country after 9/11 and why things were done.

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          4. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

            Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We lost the right of protection from illegal search and seizure. Do you think the terrorist haven’t been using our actions for years to justify their actions. I was here for 9/11 and the mood of the country doesn’t justify breaking international law or acting like terrorists.

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          5. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Are you aware that the U.N. has stated that America will be breaking international law if it doesn’t prosecute those involved in the torture – especially those who gave the okay for doing the torture and supported those who did it??

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          6. bobnstuff December 13, 2014

            As we should. We are a country of laws. I find it interesting that the very people that are shouting for the Presidents head are very quiet about these people that really did break the law.

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          7. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Yeah! That’s what’s a bit discouraging for me. In a recent Rasmussen survey, 69% of Americans claim they wish that the Senate had not disclosed the torture report. I don’t think the survey suggest that 69% of Americans approve of torture, but the survey does point out that 69% of Americans are more concerned about “being kept safe” than how our government goes about doing that. They’re simply complaining that the Senate shouldn’t have let them know that the CIA did in fact, use torture.

            But on top of that to me that makes things worse, is that this 69% of Americans must have only superficially listened to what the Torture Report said. They appear to have totally missed the fact that all the torture the CIA did, DID NOT PREVENT EVEN ONE TERRORIST ATTACK, IN FACT, THERE’S A CHANCE THAT THE TORTURE GAVE THEM CLUES WHICH THEY DISMISSED, WHICH MEANS THEY MAY HAVE MISSED PREVENTING ATTACKS THEY COULD HAVE STOPPED. (i’M NOT SHOUTING – i’M USING CAPS FOR EMPHASIS BECAUSE i’M NOT AWARE OF HOW TO USE BOLD).

            This is troubling to me, because it appears that a large portion of the American population, is not concerned enough about the news they hear to really pay enough attention to fully understand how it affect them. Which is probably why so many Americans actually vote against their own best interests. They’re so caught up with their own little worlds, that they don’t really understand what’s happening in the world around them.

            Which may lead to why, at least I question, so many surveys that I see published, because the poll results makes it clear that large portions of the American populace is totally out of touch with reality.

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        2. Independent1 December 12, 2014

          Let’s see itsfun. I believe you’re one of the RWNJs who has spewed endlessly about the fake scandal of the IRS taking excessive time to review Tea Party applications for tax-free status. AND I believe you’ve also ranted endlessly about the lies and distortions that Faux News broadcast about the Bengahzi attack.

          So now, you’re trying to ‘look the other way’ when the CIA demonstrates its clear lack of honesty, lying profusely about it’s interrogation program for years, totally irrespective of the torture it was administering – even to PEOPLE WHO LATER PROVED INNOCENT!!

          How can you RUN SUCH A DOUBLE STANDARD??

          i KNOW, because you’re nothing but a pathological lying RWNJ!!!!!!!!

          Just try!! Just try to justify the following for me!!!

          At least 26 of the 119 prisoners (22%) held by the CIA were subsequently found by the CIA to have been improperly detained,[5] many having also experienced torture.[11][18] Under the Memorandum of Notification signed by President George W. Bush to establish the CIA detention program, only persons who “pose a continuing, serious threat of violence or death to U.S. persons and interests or planning terrorist activities” were eligible for detention.[5] Two innocent people were jailed and tortured based solely on allegations from another prisoner who fabricated information after having been tortured.[18] Two former intelligence sources were jailed and tortured by accident.[5]:133[18] One mentally challenged man was held by the CIA in order to persuade family members to provide information.[5]:12[18] Among the 26 individuals who were acknowledged by the CIA to have been improperly detained, only three were released after less than one month on CIA custody, while most were confined for several months.[5]

          ———————-

          And how about this – can you explain this away???

          Misleading information provided by the CIA[edit]

          The CIA’s directors (George Tenet, Porter Goss and Michael Hayden) lied to members of the U.S. Congress, the White House and the Director of National Intelligence about the program’s effectiveness and the number of prisoners that the CIA held.[16]

          The CIA deliberately planted false stories with members of the media and claimed that the stories had been leaked (although CIA officials never investigated the leaks because they had themselves planned to leak the false and misleading information).[5]:4[16]

          The CIA had used waterboarding at locations where previously it claimed it had not (e.g. at the Salt Pit).[16]

          The CIA lied in official documents to government officials about the value of information extracted from prisoners subjected to torture (e.g. stating that information extracted from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed during torture had allowed for the capture of Riduan Isamuddin).[11]

          Despite contrary statements made by the CIA’s Director, Michael V. Hayden, the CIA did employ individuals who “had engaged in inappropriate detainee interrogations, had workplace anger management issues, and had reportedly admitted to sexual assault.”[11]

          The CIA provided false information to the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel about the methods of interrogation it was using against prisoners.[17]

          CIA Deputy Director Philip Mudd deliberately lied to Congress about the program and stated that “We either get out and sell, or we get hammered, which has implications beyond the media. [C]ongress reads it, cuts our authorities, mess up our budget.”[17]

          The report found that the CIA held at least 119 detainees during the course of the interrogation program, more than the 98 previously reported to Congress.[5][18]

          An email cited in the report and prepared by a subordinate indicates that CIA Director Michael Hayden instructed that out-of-date information be used in briefing Congress so that fewer than 100 detainees would be reported.[5][18]

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          1. itsfun December 12, 2014

            Where am I saying we should look the other way? I said we need to remember how our country felt after the 9/11 attack. Our country wanted to get the ones responsible for that terrible terrorist act. I am not defending anyone or anything,

            Big article today on YAHOO home page about the emails of Lois Learner and how her and the DOJ were working together on the IRS scandal.

            I am not justifying anything. I don’t know what happened and what was done. I am asking why this report did not contain even one word from even one CIA person. There has to be another side to this and we have not seen it or heard it. You can’t have a top without a bottom and both sides need to be reported.

            How many of the former prisoners are now fighting for ISIS?
            You can keep making up lies about what I said, its what I expect from you.

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          2. Independent1 December 12, 2014

            Oh! Come on!!

            By saying “I don’t think anyone wants to run the country on emotions, we just need to remember the mind set of the American public right after 9/11 before we criticize what our response was.”

            By even suggesting that we need to consider the tragedy the terrorists inflicted on us before we start judging what the CIA did, you’re acting just like 69% of other quasi Americans by also suggesting that what the CIA did was okay because of what the terrorists did; in otherwords, because of what the terrorists did it’s okay for us to OVERLOOK the barbarianism the CIA employed or LOOK THE OTHER WAY and pretend to not see that barbarianism.

            What you and it appears many other Americans seem to wash over, is the fact that all those CIA actions DID NOT MAKE AMERICA SAFER, IT DID NOT RESULT IN THE CIA STOPPING EVEN ONE TERRORIST ACTION!!

            So HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WHAT THE CIA DID BE CONDONED – WHEN IT ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING BUT INFLICTING GREAT PAIN ON MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE; AT LEAST 26 OF THEM BEING HELD ILLEGALLY AND EVEN TORTURED WHENTHEY WERE, IN FACT, INNOCENT?????

            And another problem is, when you ‘look the other way’, you’re not being receptive to all the other illegal actions of the CIA that took place while they were trying to COVER UP their torture activities. Which include at a minimum:

            Outright lying to Congress and the public

            Getting so caught up with their nefarious actions that they were actually torturing innocent people.

            Getting so caught up with their nefarious actions they were not only discarding tips from terrorists that could have prevented attacks – while jumping at and pursuing lies that terrorists made up and were bogus.

            Actually overlooking the fact that at least one person they were torturing died and the torturer was never punished for the travesty he was committing.

            AND ON AND ON AND ON!!!!!

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          3. itsfun December 12, 2014

            Do you mean outright lying to the American people like if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, and if you like your insurance plan you can keep your plan. Or how about you will save 2500 per year. Or maybe I don’t know Gruber. Is that the kind of lying you are talking about, or it that ok because it was Obama?
            Again, I never condoned any torture, I simply gave what some think is a reason for it.
            No matter what the CIA did though, I don’t recall them chopping any heads off.

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          4. Independent1 December 12, 2014

            Sorry to bust your bubble, but only the pretty clueless such as yourself, would actually believe that a President would lie about such a critical factor that is part of the signature legislation of his term in office as ‘you can keep your insurance plan and your doctor”. It wasn’t Obama that lied, it was more than 1/2 a dozen CEOs from the major health insurers in the nation WHO LIED – and they not only lied TO OBAMA, they lied to all Americans and they even tried to con them.

            When ACA was being developed, the CEOs of more than 1/2 a dozen health insurers met with Obama to discuss the development of ACA. After their meeting, these CEOS PROMISED OBAMA, that they would work with Congress and would do everything they could to make the roll-out of ACA GO SEEMLESSLY. WELL!! CLEARLY THEY LIED!!

            Obama made the comments about people keeping their policies and doctors for TWO REASONS: 1) ACA does in fact include a provision which grandfathers all existing policies for people who already had insurance at the time ACA was to become effective on 1/1/2014; and 2) the CEOs of more than 1/2 a dozen health insurers had PROMISED HIM that they would do everything they could to make the roll-out of ACA GO SEEMLESSLY!! That meaning – they would continue to support the policies that ACA GRANDFATHED, so Americans already insured COULD KEEP THEIR POLICY AND THEIR DOCTOR.

            Well, instead of doing WHAT THEY PROMISED, these health insurers did JUST THE OPPOSITE: instead of HONORING THE GRANDFATHERED POLICIES, they DELBERATELY .cancelled policies ahead of the roll out, and made it look like the reason they were being cancelled was because they didn’t comply with ACA – WHICH WAS A LIE BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN AS THEY WERE!!

            And NOT ONLY THAT, they actually ATTEMPTED TO DEFRAUD their existing policy holders by making it sound like they had to replace those cancelled policies with more expensive new policies WITHOUT TELLING THEM that they had a right to go onto the ACA exchanges and find NEW POLICIES AT A LOWER COST!!!

            Numerous of America’s health insurers NOT ONLY LIED!! THEY ACTUALLY TRIED TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC!!!! AND MANY OF THEM HAVE NOW BEEN LEVIED PENALTIES FOR THESE ACTIONS!!!

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          5. itsfun December 13, 2014

            yea right, and Obama didn’t draw any red lines and he didn’t know Gruber and the IRS didn’t target right wing groups, and Benghazi didn’t get attacked. Just keep living in fantasy land.

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          6. WhutHeSaid December 13, 2014

            Unbelievable. Are you still whining about everything that Obama does, conjuring up wacky conspiracy theories just because the man is black? Yes, of course you are.

            Funny how you squeal about ‘doves’ and then in the very next posts whimper and snivel about Obama ordering drone strikes. What is clear is that you Tea-Bigots just oppose everything that Obama does, and if for some reason he didn’t manage to do much of anything for any given week you return to your reliable old chestnuts like the Republican-sponsored attack against one of our consulates.

            Honestly, what are you bigots going to do when Obama’s term is over? How are you going to frolic about in the rhetorical dog-shit when there’s no black man in the White House? Forget the ridiculous lies about Gruber, the IRS, and Republican-caused attacks on our intelligence personnel — how are you going to express the bigoted hate that is the only thing that gives meaning to your life?

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          7. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Neat isn’t how if a person disagrees with Obama’s policies or believes he is a bad president, he/she is a racist and bigot. You race card bs has run its course. Try looking at the approval polls and the election results in November. Did or did not Obama say before the election to make no doubt about it, the election was about his policies, and after the slaughter he said the election was not about his policies? I don’t care if he is green, blue, pink, white, black, yellow, red. He is incompetent and a miserable president.

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          8. WhutHeSaid December 13, 2014

            Of course you need to lie about it, because Obama is just more successful, intelligent and popular than you will ever be. And that causes you great pangs of bigot-hurt.

            Obama didn’t run for anything in 2014, and whatever his approval ratings are at any point in time they are lower still for Republicans. And never mind abut the vile and despicable Tea-Bigots — their approval ratings are the worst of all. I think voters would rather eat a pound of buzzard $hit than elect another lying, despicable, worthless Tea-Bigot.

            I agree that you don’t care if he is green, blue, pink black. What you care abut is whether or not he’s white. I tried to get you to explain your constant and nonsensical opposition to everything the man does, but you had no explanation.

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          9. itsfun December 13, 2014

            More race care, of course you didn’t answer my question about obama saying the election was about his policies before the election and after the election saying the election was not about his policies. I don’t like a President that believes he is an emperor (his own words). I don’t like a President drawing red lines, then saying he didn’t say that. I don’t like him lying about Gruber when we have seen videos with him and Gruber together and him praising Gruber. I don’t like the wire tapping his administration did to reporters.

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          10. WhutHeSaid December 13, 2014

            Yes, we get it already: He’s black.

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          11. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Wow!! You RWNJs can’t do anything BUT MAKE UP STUFF!!

            The 2014 election was really bad sign for THE GOP not for Obama!! Even a GOP partial writer for a paper in the good ole Red State of Texas could see that. All the Senate seats the GOP won were in clearly RED STATES – they lost every Senate seat in a Blue State – and although they won some governorships, they Dems actually gained in every Blue State legislature and made inroads into several Red State legislatures.

            And on top of that the GOP LOST EVERY SINGLE BALLOT INITIATIVE!! THEY LOST THE MIN WAGE BALLOTS IN A NUMBER OF RED STATES AND THEY LOST EVERY PERSONHOOD BALLOT INITATIVE!!

            Here’s just a brief summary of what this GOP columnist said as a summary for his column:

            GOP Columnist: The VERY Bad News FOR THE GOP in the GOP’s Midterm Victory

            “It is almost too late for Republicans to participate in shaping the next wave of our economic and political transformation. The opportunities we inherited coming out of the Reagan Era are blinking out of existence one by one while we chase so-called “issues” so stupid, so blindingly disconnected from our emerging needs that our grandchildren will look back on our performance in much the same way that we see the failures of the generation that fought desegregation. Something, some force, some gathering of sane, rational, authentically concerned human beings generally at peace with reality must emerge in the next four to six years from the right, or our opportunity will be lost for a long generation. Needless to say, Greg Abbott and Jodi Ernst are not that force. ‘Winning’ this election did not help that force emerge.”

            And if we’re talking about Obama’s favorability – the only real poll to watch is the Rasmussen Daily pool – and at a time in Obama’s presidency when George Bush’s approval was running in the low 30s and high 20s – Obama’s has been staying steady between 45-50% approval – IN FACT, last Monday Obama’s approval hit the highest it has in months at 50% and since has been running 48-49% every day.

            And you’re trying to convince people that the best president since FDR is a ‘BAD PRESIDENT’?? Based on what???

            The stock market tripling since he’s been in office?

            The 57 straight months of jobs growth being the longest in American history?

            The fact that 2014 has seen the most jobs created since Clinton was in office in 1999?

            The fact that for the first time in history, America is the largest producer of ENERGY on the planet?

            The fact that the Auto Industry is once seeing profits it hadn’t seen since Clinton was in office?

            The fact that the Obama Administration has rounded up and deported more troublesome illegal aliens than any previous president?

            The fact that the Obama Administration has brought more crooks defrauding the government than any previous president??

            And I could go on and on – YOU ARE CLEARLY A DIMWIT RIGHT-WING NUT JOB – AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!

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          12. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Are you trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat? You are the north end of a south bound horse and you know it.

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          13. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Wow!! talk about someone living in total denial!!

            The GOP didn’t win ONE senate seat in a Blue state!!

            The GOP didn’t win One ballot iniative!!

            Less than 50% of even Republicans who almost always come out an vote showed up for this election!!

            The GOP won ONLY senate seats IN RED STATES WHERE ANY MORON WOULD EXPECT THEM TO WIN!!

            And they actually won those seats with the votes of 13% of all Americans who are eligible to vote!!

            You have to be operating IN SERIOUS DENIAL not to see the HANDWRITING ON THE WALL – with the GOP columnist from Houston clearly depicts in his column right after the election.

            Here are more of what he saw from the election, and if you’re still in DENIAL!! Then you’re even more clueless than even I BELIEVE!!!

            Republican support grew deeper in 2014, not broader.

            Some other observations

            a) Republican Senate candidates lost every single race in the Blue Wall.

            b) There were some GOP victories in Governor’s races, but in each case there were no coat tails. None of these candidates ran on social issues, Obama, or opposition to the ACA. Look at Rauner who took out Quinn in Illinois, but Democrats in Illinois retained their supermajority in the State Assembly having not lost a single seat.

            c) Voter turnout was awful. It was more awful for the Democrats but the GOP won 52 percent of 35 percent of the vote: in other words their mandate is 17 percent of the registered electorate (and 13 percent of those eligible to vote).

            d) Good news for the Democrats: They have consolidated their power behind the sections of the country that generate the overwhelming bulk of America’s wealth outside the energy industry.

            e) Voter suppression is working remarkably well, but that won’t last. They key is voter ID. Eventually Democrats will top whining and will help people get the documentation they need to meet confusing new requirements and obstructions. The whole “voter integrity” sham may have given Republicans a one or maybe two-election boost in low-turnout races, but the message to minority (but growing) groups is clear. We GOP don’t give a damn about you.

            f) Every major Democratic ballot initiative was successful, including every minimum wage increase, even in the red states. AND every personhood amendment failed.

            g) Half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. There are no more white Democrats from the South. All of the Dixiecrats are now GOP.

            h) Democrats in 2014 were up against a particularly tough climate because they had to defend 13 Senate seats in red or purple states. In 2016 Republicans will be defending 24 Senate seats with at least 18 of them very competitive based on geography and demographics. Democrats will be one seat looks competitive.

            i) McConnell’s conciliatory statements were encouraging, but he cannot persuade Republican Senators and Congressmen to cooperate on anything constructive.

            j) This is an age built for Republican solutions. The global economy is undergoing a massive, accelerating transformation that promises massive new wealth and staggering challenges. Ladd say that the GOP could address a this with heads-up, intelligent adaptations to capitalize on those challenges. Republicans, with their traditional leadership on commercial issues, he claims, should be at the leading edge of planning to capitalize on this emerging environment.

            k) Instead, he predicts, what the GOP will spend its time on is: Climate denial, theocracy, thinly veiled racism, paranoia, and Benghazi hearings.

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          14. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            What’s the fact that Gruber met with Obama ONE
            TIME for a couple hours got to do with anything?? Gruber admitted that he had virtually nothing to do with ACA other than running his model based ON WHAT CONGRESS HAD DESIGNED!! And Gruber ADMITTED that everything he said was a BASIC LIE!! That he was ONLY A PROFESSOR and NOT QUALIFIED to make the statements he made!!

            And when are you lamebrain RWNJs going to wake up and realize that the IRS scandal, Benghazi, Fast and Furious WERE ALL FAILED FAKE SCANDALS??

            Darrell Issa WASTED over 100 Million taxpayer dollars while he was the FAKE LEADER of a Congressional investigation (if you consider the money his committee spent and all the monies the agencies spent gathering the nonsense information that Issa kept requesting). And, after WASTING 100 MILLION DOLLARS!!

            The CLOWN SHOWS that Issa called investigations, PROVED ABSOLUTELY NO WRONG DOING ON ANYTHING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE!!!!!

            SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP BRINGING UP ALL THOSE WITCH HUNTS??????

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          15. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Try watching the news. There have been numerous videos shown with Obama and Gruber together. Also videos with Obama praising Gruber. Do you just watch MSNBC?

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          16. bobnstuff December 13, 2014

            It always amazes me when someone says there a numerous videos and I can’t find more then one photo and no videos of the two of them together. Give me a link please to prove your point.

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          17. itsfun December 13, 2014

            just do a search for “obama and gruber together” I just did on YAHOO and came up pages and pages of articles and some videos. Also do a search for videos of obama and gruber together.

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          18. bobnstuff December 13, 2014

            Really I got one photo of them together no video and a bunch of people talking about it. You didn’t find a video. Send me a link of the two together. The praising that Obama gave Gruber was in 2006 and Romney did the same thing.

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          19. itsfun December 13, 2014

            http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/voters-stupid-prof-says-obama-is... Cached
            Nov 13, 2014 · Yet another video has surfaced of Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Jonathan Gruber, who was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for …
            Gruber and Obama – YouTubewww.youtube.com/watch?v=tsnmtNRB5v8 Cached
            Nov 19, 2014 · Gruber and Obama – YouTube … YouTube home
            Obama: I Have Stolen Ideas from Jon Gruber Liberally – YouTubewww.youtube.com/watch?v=s6yoHcOhF0U Cached
            Nov 17, 2014 · “You
            have already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia and policy
            circles, many of them I have stolen ideas from liberally, people
            ranging from …

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          20. bobnstuff December 13, 2014

            Gee in 2006 Obama knew Gruber, nothing newer? No picture of them together? Only a man bragging about how important he is. You are easy to sell to.

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          21. itsfun December 13, 2014

            didn’t you watch Nov. 17, 2014 or Nov. 19 2004 or Nov 13, 2014

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          22. itsfun December 13, 2014

            You didn’t watch Obama say he has stolen ideas form people including Gruber?

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          23. bobnstuff December 13, 2014

            I at yur links but I still don’t see the President in the same video as the President and still think that Gruber is a self important person trying to make hay on the small part he played in creating the law.

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          24. itsfun December 13, 2014

            I saw them together on a news broadcast. Not sure which network. I watch 3 different network news shows, not sure which one I saw that on. Gruber was also part of the Romney health care plan in Mass. Our government paid him something like 400,000 for the work he did. I have read where he has made over a million working for various state governments pushing through their health care. Obama has referenced him more than once. I agree that he is a self important person. He comes across as being very arrogant.

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          25. bobnstuff December 13, 2014

            I’m having problems with the link, I tried to fine them from the info you gave me. Off the topic a little but doesn’t Mr. Gruber strike you as a jerk. In looking I watched enough of this guy to hope he goes away fast. I feel sorry for any student at MIT that gets him.

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          26. itsfun December 14, 2014

            He does strike me as a jerk.

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          27. bobnstuff December 14, 2014

            Here’s a fact. 21 trips to the White House in 2009 to confer with top aids. He my have meet the President once but since it’s the aids that do the real work that’s who he would have spent the time with.

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          28. itsfun December 14, 2014

            Right: I hope he did something for the money we taxpayers paid him.

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          29. bobnstuff December 14, 2014

            His specialty is economic modeling which is a cross between accounting and computer programing. He is top in his field which makes him a supper geek, that might explain his stupidity. $400,000 dollars wouldn’t buy 100 hours of this guys time.

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          30. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            And let’s just clarify ONE MORE POINT on the 2014 election. The GOP Congress has SO DISGUSTED the American populace THAT MORE THAN 50% OF NORMALLY RELIABLE GOP VOTERS – DIDN’T EVEN VOTE!!

            The GOP won those Senate seats and Governorships SIMPLY BECAUSE MORE GOP VOTERS TURNED OUT THAN DEMOCRAT VOTERS!!! IT WAS AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!

            And although the Democrat turnout was a DISASTER – SO WAS THE REPUBLICANS!!

            The GOP won those Senate seats with 17+% of the registered voters beating the 16+% of Dem voters.

            Only 36.3% of all voters turned out for the debacle called the 2014 election – THE LOWEST VOTER TURN OUT IN 72 YEARS!!!!

            Here’s just a little more on what that GOP columnist from Houston had to say:

            a) Republican Senate candidates lost every single race in the Blue Wall.

            b) There were some GOP victories in Governor’s races, but in each case there were no coat tails. None of these candidates ran on social issues, Obama, or opposition to the ACA. Look at Rauner who took out Quinn in Illinois, but Democrats in Illinois retained their supermajority in the State Assembly having not lost a single seat.

            c) Voter turnout was awful. It was more awful for the Democrats but the GOP won 52 percent of 35 percent of the vote: in other words their mandate is 17 percent of the registered electorate (and 13 percent of those eligible to vote).

            d) Good news for the Democrats: They have consolidated their power behind the sections of the country that generate the overwhelming bulk of America’s wealth outside the energy industry.

            e) Voter suppression is working remarkably well, but that won’t last. They key is voter ID. Eventually Democrats will top whining and will help people get the documentation they need to meet confusing new requirements and obstructions. The whole “voter integrity” sham may have given Republicans a one or maybe two-election boost in low-turnout races, but the message to minority (but growing) groups is clear. We GOP don’t give a damn about you.

            f) Every major Democratic ballot initiative was successful, including every minimum wage increase, even in the red states. AND every personhood amendment failed.

            g) Half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. There are no more white Democrats from the South. All of the Dixiecrats are now GOP.

            h) Democrats in 2014 were up against a particularly tough climate because they had to defend 13 Senate seats in red or purple states. In 2016 Republicans will be defending 24 Senate seats with at least 18 of them very competitive based on geography and demographics. Democrats will be one seat looks competitive.

            i) McConnell’s conciliatory statements were encouraging, but he cannot persuade Republican Senators and Congressmen to cooperate on anything constructive.

            j) This is an age built for Republican solutions. The global economy is undergoing a massive, accelerating transformation that promises massive new wealth and staggering challenges. Ladd say that the GOP could address a this with heads-up, intelligent adaptations to capitalize on those challenges. Republicans, with their traditional leadership on commercial issues, he claims, should be at the leading edge of planning to capitalize on this emerging environment.

            k) Instead, he predicts, what the GOP will spend its time on is: Climate denial, theocracy, thinly veiled racism, paranoia, and Benghazi hearings.

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          31. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Still waiting for you to explain why obama said the elections was about his policies before the vote, and after the beat down, he said the election wasn’t not about his policies.

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          32. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Prove that Obama did that – claimed the election was about his policies and then reversed that – I’ve seen nothing in the news that would bring me to that conclusion!!

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          33. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Just do a search for “Obama saying the election was about his policies”. I just did on YAHOO and came up with over 5 pages of info. Including articles from the Washington Post and NY Times

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          34. WhutHeSaid December 13, 2014

            Then go ahead and post the link(s). What’s the matter — are your keyboard keys black so you hate to touch them?

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          35. itsfun December 13, 2014

            just do a simple search, you will get pages and pages of this.

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          36. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Obama: ‘Make No Mistake, My Policies Are On The Ballot This Fall’

            BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
            October 2, 2014 4:18 pm

            President Obama insisted that his economic policies are “on the ballot” this fall, thwarting Democratic attempts to distance themselves from the president ahead of November 4.

            Delivering a speech on the economy at Northwestern University’s
            Kellogg School of Management in Evanston, Ill., Obama said although he
            is not on the ballot, his policies are.

            “I’m not on the ballot this fall.
            Michelle’s pretty happy about that,” Obama said. “But make no mistake:
            These policies are on the ballot, every single one of them.”

            Obama’s statements fly in the face of Democratic Senate candidates Mark Pryor, Kay Hagan, and Alison Lundergan Grimes, who have made a concerted effort to stress that the 2014 midterm elections are not about Obama or his policies.

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          37. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Okay, so Obama said that his record would probably be part of why people voted or didn’t vote in the 2014 election – why are you suprised by that?? I’m not!! And everybody here on the NM has complained that idiot Democrats like those you mentioned ran from his record. So that’s nothing new to any of us – it wasn’t Obama that’s at fault here – it’s those DINO Democrats who tried to hide from Obama’s record and lost the election.

            So you haven’t proven a Thing!! Convince me that Obama has actually RUN FROM THE RESULTS OF THE 2014 ELECTION – which is what you’ve been trying to sell everyone!!!!!!

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          38. itsfun December 13, 2014

            First he didn’t say his polices would probably be on the ballet. He said make no mistake about it, my policies are on the ballet. The last I looked the GOP now has the majority in the Senate and the House.
            What I proved was I knew what I was talking about whether you like it or not.

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          39. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            I have absolutely NO IDEA what you think you’ve proved; given the lowest voter turnout in 72 years, the 2014 election WAS NO REFERENDUM on Obama’s policies!! Especially given that many Republicans BARELY WON THEIR SENATE SEATS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ELECTED IN CLEARLY REPUBLICAN DOMINATED STATES!!

            Many of the races went right down to the wire and some weren’t called until the next morning or days later – and some even ended up needing recounts!!

            If the 2014 election was a referendum IT WAS ON FAILED GOP POLICES!!

            And keep in mind, THAT MANY OF THOSE GOP VICTORIES RESULTED ONLY FROM SEVERE GERRYMANDERING!!

            THE ONLY WAY THE GOP KNOWS HOW TO WIN IS BY CHEATING!!!!!!!

            See this:

            The GOP benefitted from the most egregious gerrymandering in American history.

            As Rolling Stone reported, GOP donors plowed cash into state legislative efforts in 2010 for the very purpose of redrawing congressional lines. In the following year, as the Tea Party wave brought hundreds of Republicans into office, newly empowered Republican governors and state legislatures carved congressional districts for maximum partisan advantage. Democrats attempted this too, but only in two states: Maryland and Illinois. For the GOP however, strictly partisan gerrymandering prevailed in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and beyond.

            Here’s an example from the election last night. In Pennsylvania, one state in which the GOP drew the congressional districts in a brazenly partisan way, Democratic candidates collected 44 percent of the vote, yet Democratic candidates won only 5 House seats out of 18. In other words, Democrats secured only 27 percent of Pennsylvania’s congressional seats despite winning nearly half of the votes. See the graph below:

            A similar dynamic played in North Carolina, another state in which GOP control in 2011 created intensely partisan congressional boundaries. In the 2014 midterm elections, Democrats in North Carolina secured only 3 out of 13 seats (23 percent of NC’s congressional delegation) even though Democratic candidates in that state won about 44 percent of the vote.

            Any total MORON can see why the GOP wins BECAUSE THEY CHEAT!!!

            AND ANY DIMWIT SUCH AS YOURSELF SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WHEN IN 2012, ALTHOUGH THE DEMOCRATS PULLED MORE THAN 1.3 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN THE GOP, THEY ONLY ENDED UP WITH 201 HOUSE SEATS TO 234 FOR THE REPUBLICANS!!

            DO YOU SUPPOSE THE TIME WILL EVER COME WHEN THE GOP STARTS PLAYING POLITICS FAIRLY?????????

            In 2012, the first congressional election after the last round of gerrymandering, Democratic House candidates won 50.59 percent of the vote — or 1.37 million more votes than Republican candidates — yet secured only 201 seats in Congress, compared to 234 seats for Republicans. The House of Representatives, the “people’s house,” no longer requires the most votes for power.

            As the results from this year roll in, we see a similar dynamic. Republican gerrymandering means Democratic voters are packed tightly into single districts, while Republicans are spread out in such a way to translate into the most congressional seats for the GOP.

            There are a lot of structural issues that influence congressional elections, from voter ID requirements to early voting access. But what does it matter if you’ve been packed into a district in which your vote can’t change the composition of Congress?

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          40. itsfun December 13, 2014

            So you are saying that by winning the election the GOP lost the election. If that is a referendum on failed GOP policies, just wait until the policies, the GOP will win every state. What I have proven is I knew what Obama said before and after the election. I also proved you didn’t.
            Do you know how many states know have GOP Governors and how many states are controlled by a GOP Senate and House? I do.

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          41. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            With Obama as president, the GOP’s majorities aren’t going to do the GOP much good; they don’t have enough majorities to prevent Reid from playing the McConnell game of fake filibuster or to override Obama’s vetoes of any really damaging legislation they get passed the House and Senate. The next 2 years are going to be little different than the last 6 – legislation will just muddle along with virtually nothing meaningful getting done.

            So just wait until 2016 when 24 republicans in the Senate are up to 10 Democrats. And the Dems at the moment are odds on favorites to take the presidency that year.

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          42. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            The GOP is already setting itself up for defeat in 2016 – the idiots added a GIVEAWAY TO CITIGROUP in a crucial spending bill.

            Elizabeth Warren laid it out for the GOP senators: WHO DO YOU WORK FOR – THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR CITIGROUP???

            Now the American people are going to start seeing just how big of idiots REPUBLICANS REALLY ARE AND HOW MUCH THEY’RE FOR BIG BUSINESS EVEN IF IT SCREWS EVERYONE IN AMERICA!!!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRDJDq6PkWQ

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          43. Independent1 December 12, 2014

            And with respect to the costs of insurance – Obama DID NOT lie either – Insurance premiums in 2013 for the vast majority of individual health insurance contracts were IN FACT close to or even more than $2,500/yr CHEAPER than they would have been had ACA NOT BEEN ENACTED!!!

            Since 2009, the annual increase in health insurance premiums has been less than 4%/yr while prior to that time the increases had run 6.9%/yr and more (actually they increased double digits/yr during Bush 1s term and the early part of Bush 2s term).

            Insurance analysts have projected that had ACA not been enacted, that premiums in 2013 would have been 25-45% higher than they actually were. What this means is, for someone who was paying 600$/month for insurance in 2013, had ACA not been enacted, they would have been paying $780 to $900/mo or an average of $840/mo which is $240/month more than the actual 2013 premiums.

            This means that someone paying $600/mo was actually saving about $2,880/yr over what they would have been paying had ACA not been enacted. So as I said: OBAMA DID NOT LIE ABOUT ANYTHING!!!!!!!!

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          44. itsfun December 13, 2014

            All Obama can do is lie. Your number are for only a very small % of people. Many people are seeing a double digit raise in rates.

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          45. WhutHeSaid December 13, 2014

            Don’t you ever look in the mirror and feel an overwhelming desire to slap some sense into yourself? Nobody is seeing double-digit increases. The costs for employer plans for 2014 increased by less than 3%, which is the lowest rate of increase in many, many years — long before Obama even thought about running for President. The cost increases for individual plans has dropped by 30% for 2014. And even the insurance companies have been seeing a drop in the rate of claims in 2014, which raises their profit margin and allows them to pass the savings on to their customers — IF they feel inclined to do so.

            Why do you bigots spend so much time and energy lying about Obama’s job performance when what’s really bothering you is the color of his skin? I mean come on — nobody believes any of your lies so why waste everyone’s time including your own? Why can’t you just go straight to the heart of the issue and say something like “I hate Obama, because he’s black, so nothing he ever does is going to be OK with me. I need to belittle all of his accomplishments because if I don’t I will remember that this black man is more successful and intelligent than me in every possible way.”?

            Was there ever a single time when anyone at all believed what you say? I don’t think so.

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          46. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Race card again. Your bs is getting old. I really couldn’t care less about what you think of me. You are absolutely nothing in my life. Just keep playing your race card game calling names, when you are the racist here.

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          47. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Sorry, just like WhutHeSaid I’m not buying that for a minute!! You’re clearly nothing but a RACIST RWNJ FROM THE WORD GO!!!!

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          48. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Yep the best offense for a racist it call someone else one. You have proven that is what you are.

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          49. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Sorry, I think I’ll let some sane person read my posts and come to that conclusion. I’ve said nothing that’s racist – only pointed out the facts – YOUR COMMENTS ARE ALWAYS DISTINCTLY RACIST!!!

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          50. idamag December 13, 2014

            Racists think they can hide it, but it slips out.

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          51. plc97477 December 13, 2014

            Some of them on NM don’t try very hard to hide it either.

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          52. WhutHeSaid December 13, 2014

            You bring your own race card to the table. When people need to continuously complain about being called a ‘racist’ it’s because they are. People who don’t display raicst behavior just never have that problem.

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          53. itsfun December 13, 2014

            Keep using that, it gets you nowhere.

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          54. angelsinca December 16, 2014

            “The cost increases for individual plans has dropped by 30% for 2014.”

            Seriously? I can imagine a distorted context that would make this a vaguely truthful statement. But in truth, since its implementation, the ACA is causing most people to get less and having to pay more for it..

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          55. WhutHeSaid December 16, 2014

            Now why would we just take your word for it? Kindly provide some evidence to back up your lying claim(s). Everybody else seems to know how this works and they provide links.

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          56. angelsinca December 19, 2014

            ‘Lying’? No. If you are unable to accept the first hand REAL world experiences of your friends, your neighbors, your co-workers, and your family, you will reach a truthful conclusion about the negative effects of the ppACA. But don’t let that deter you from relying on links to articles written by someone that usually has something to gain politically or philosophically, just like ‘everybody’ in your circle of associates afflicted with biased tendencies.

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          57. WhutHeSaid December 19, 2014

            Nobody is ever going to be happy about ANYTHING costing more, and they won’t usually look closely enough to see that costs this year have risen less than costs last year — that’s just human nature. But that doesn’t invalidate the FACT that rate increases are slowing, and that’s a good thing to anyone except right-wing hacks with an axe to grind against a President they hate.

            The facts aren’t biased, but you are. I supplied evidence to back up my claims, but you didn’t (even when asked to do so) and that’s telling.

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          58. angelsinca December 20, 2014

            I suggested to you where the evidence is; with those around you affected by the healthcare scheme. But your biases won’t allow you to consider the truth. Since you are unable to understand that objections to Obama policy are not personal or racist, there is no point in trying to discuss anything with a pig headed bigot, TW

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          59. WhutHeSaid December 20, 2014

            Sorry to inform you of this, but my family and friends don’t gather in bigoted clusters to complain incessantly about the black man in the White House. None of the discussion that ever involves health care insurance (admittedly not much) ever involves railing against Obama for rising prices or policy cancellations/changes as all of these things have been happening for far too long to be blamed on one person.

            I’m sure it’s different in your trailer park gatherings, so your mileage may vary.

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          60. angelsinca December 20, 2014

            “…my family and friends don’t gather in bigoted clusters to complain incessantly about the black man “… Good for you, neither does mine. You pretend to know so much but are aware of so little.

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          61. angelsinca December 19, 2014

            “I hate Obama, because he’s black,”

            Said no one, ever (except liberals lying about conservatives).

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          62. WhutHeSaid December 19, 2014

            Of course, because people don’t like to admit being despicable. But it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Instead of wasting all of that time and energy trying to convince people they aren’t bigots or racists — why don’t these people just a) admit what they are, or b) stop being a bigot or racist? Nobody is ever fooled anyway.

            And Tea-Bigots aren’t ‘conservatives’, so you shouldn’t insult honest conservatives with lying, despicable racists trying to hide behind a less despicable label.

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          63. angelsinca December 20, 2014

            To paraphrase your inane assertion you keep repeating about conservatives, instead of wasting so much energy calling people liars and bigots, why don’t you just admit you are a liar and a bigot?

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          64. WhutHeSaid December 20, 2014

            You see? That’s where you make your mistake: by lying at the very first opportunity rather than picking a lie that will be plausible. I’m not talking about conservatives at all. I’m talking about the lying bigots and racists who hide behind conservatism.

            But I must admit it was at least an interesting posit: Lie to myself rather than call out those people who deserve it. Let me consider that…..nah, I think I’d rather stick to the truth.

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          65. angelsinca December 20, 2014

            More pathological denial. Please stop wasting my time.

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          66. WhutHeSaid December 20, 2014

            You replied to my post, remember? So if anyone is wasting anyone’s time it’s you wasting mine. I don’t hate racists and bigots as people, rather, I hate their behavior — which is a little different. So if Santa leaves nothing other than reindeer crap all over your roof, you’ll understand the reason why.

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          67. angelsinca December 21, 2014

            I apologize. I was wrong about you being nice person. You still believe in Santa and flying reindeers. Got it, junior. In the real world, your generalizations about whites make you a racist. Your stereotypes of conservatives make you a bigot. Have a nice Christmas, racist bigot. If these terms offend you, just examine the effects that your own time wasting assertions have on those around you. bye.

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          68. WhutHeSaid December 21, 2014

            Don’t fall into that pseudo-intellectual trap of believing your own sarcasm. In reality I have no ill will towards people even if they are vile bigots, and hope every one of them (and their families, importantly) have a Merry Christmas. This includes you and yours.

            But I don’t stop there, and I wish even people who still believe in Santa Claus a Merry Christmas as well. For those who may have different beliefs my wish is still offered, as it may be, that they enjoy whatever holy days (holidays) are compatible with their beliefs and important to them. That’s the difference between me (who you call a racist), and you (who is racist).

            So Merry Christmas to you and good luck with the reindeer crap.

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          69. angelsinca December 21, 2014

            Lol. Despite the misgivings and nonsense, hope you and yours have a great holiday, and that you are able to grow as a person by resolving to stop accusing people of despicable behavior where none exists. Best wishes.

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          70. angelsinca December 21, 2014

            I would rather stand behind conservatism than to prance around with liberal logic trying to convince myself I wasn”t lying. Yes, it is noticeable.

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          71. WhutHeSaid December 21, 2014

            Hiding behind conservatism isn’t the same thing as standing behind conservatism. Yes, we notice.

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          72. angelsinca December 21, 2014

            So bland. Try some salt.

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          73. angelsinca December 21, 2014

            More pointless BS. Feel free to shift into more meaningful and original content. You sound JUST LIKE the NM’s weekly replay of the same old RWNJ’s over and over again by trying to paint all conservatives with the same broad brush in perpetual bigotry.

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          74. WhutHeSaid December 22, 2014

            Listen, bigots are not conservatives — get it straight. Conservatism is an ideology, whereas bigotry and racism are character disorders. While I realize that it is possible for a true conservative to also suffer from a character disorder, the vast majority of knee-jerk bigots and outright racists who consistently malign Obama (and all minorities except for the ‘token’ minorities that they attempt to use to deny their disorder) are NOT conservative. People who belong to the Tea Party are not conservatives, rather, they are bigots.

            Save your bullshit for somebody who doesn’t know any better — I’m not buying. If you find yourself criticizing every black male who is shot to death by police, and automatically defending the police officer who did the shooting — no matter the officer’s color — then you are a racist. If you find yourself posting that Obama is a tyrant, Kenyan, Muslim, or an Emperor, then you are at best a bigot and at worst a racist. If you oppose immigration every time there’s a story about Latinos crossing the border, then you are a racist. If you find yourself repeatedly denying that you are a bigot, then you are a bigot. There’s just no two ways about it. So if the shoe fits, wear it, because nobody is going to listen to your claim to be a conservative when all of your other actions and words clearly indicate something else.

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          75. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            That’s BS about a small % of people; THAT’S RELATED TO EVERY AMERICAN WITH A HEALTH INSURANCE POLICY INCLUDING THOSE WITH EMPLOYER BASED PLANS HAVE SEEN THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS STAY LOWER BY 25-45%!! STOP YOUR STUPID LYING!!

            Yeah, some are seeing double digit increases – those are IN RED STATES where the GOP had refused to get behind ACA and there is virtually no competition. But even in the Red State of Texas premiums will be dropping this year and there are some states where premiums will actually go down by AS MUCH AS 23%.

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          76. idamag December 13, 2014

            Case in point: Wisconsin. I know a family, there, who did not have insurance. Now, they are upset because they are required to have it. They would have qualified for Medicaid, had extended Medicaid been enacted. The Governor blocked it. Do I feel sorry for them? No, they voted him back in.

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          77. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            And here’s even more from a recent article in WP (not only is health care spending in the U.S. the lowest it has been in 53 years – ACA has saved 50,000 lives by cutting readmissions rates at hospitals – and what’s not included in here is that it’s also saved thousands more lives 10,000 plus because states that have expanded Medicaid have allowed people to see doctors that have caught terminal illnesses in time to cure them) :

            The Urban Institute has been releasing quarterly data since the implementation of the law, and has found that the uninsured rate for adults under age 64 has been significantly lowered, across genders and races and age groups. But not economic groups—the working poor and the middle class saw the largest drops because of the combination of Medicaid expansion and federal tax credits, or subsidies, for the middle class. In other words, the law is doing exactly what it was intended to do. At least in the Medicaid expansion states.

            Thanks in part to some of the Medicare provider reforms and incentives in the law, healthcare spending in the U.S. grew slower in 2013 than it had in 53 years. Half a century. Lowest healthcare spending growth. It’s worth repeating that the shrinking of Medicare spending hasalready cut the deficit more than any of the austerity-minded plans that anyone has come up with—Simpson/Bowles, or Paul Ryan, or anyone else.

            There’s this, too: 50,000 lives saved because hospitals have been made safer. The law included both penalties and incentives for hospitals to reduce readmissions and thus to cut down on the incidence of things like patient falls, poor sanitation practices that increased hospital-based infections, or patients being given the wrong prescriptions. This is all critical in saving lives, but incidentally helped in that whole spending less money on health care part, particularly for Medicare.

            Finally, the good folks at the Kaiser Family Foundation released the results of their research into state marketplaces. They found that premiums under Obamacare are being held largely in check for 2015 thanks to the fact that lots of insurers have decided to join in, and are creating competition. As the law intended. That doesn’t mean that health insurance premiums aren’t still too high for a lot of people, particularly people whose wages aren’t keeping up with the growth in healthcare inflation, but it is helping.

            What does all of this tell us? That our healthcare system can be made to work better and more efficiently and can save more lives. This is all under a complicated, cumbersome system that still maintains the profit incentive for insurance companies.

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          78. angelsinca December 16, 2014

            Right, and over 3000 Americans were ‘improperly’ murdered on 9/11. Your bleeding heart for the enemy is causing your brain to malfunction.

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          79. itsfun December 16, 2014

            I think you have me all wrong. I think we should help all the terrorist meet their god asap.

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    2. awakenaustin December 12, 2014

      The young children of CIA agents, really?
      Do you check the closet and under your bed each night for bogey men?
      There are some things good people don’t do that bad people do. This is how we differentiate between good people and bad people.
      When good people act just like bad people then there is no way of knowing the good people from the bad people. Maybe when the good people act just like the bad people there is no distinction between the good and the bad.
      Why is torture ok when we use it but not when others use it?
      Last thing, you have yet to establish either the necessity for or the efficacy of torture as method of gathering reliable intelligence.

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      1. itsfun December 12, 2014

        Where did I say torture is a good thing? Have or have not innocent Americans had their heads chopped off? These terrorists couldn’t care less about killing women and children.

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        1. Bren Frowick December 12, 2014

          You are declaring yourself willing to become a war criminal. It is NEVER acceptable to lower ourselves to the level of depraved terrorists. Period.

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          1. itsfun December 12, 2014

            How many of your family have been murdered by terrorists? If you think for one second that the terrorists are nice people and will play by your rules, your wrong. They will do whatever they feel like. War is not pretty or fun. It is terrible, people get killed, families ruined, countries destroyed etc. Those kinds of people must be stopped, not cuddled.

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          2. Bren Frowick December 12, 2014

            It is not about whether or not THEY should be stopped. That is obvious. It is about how we go about doing it. And when you lower yourself to their level by using a blatantly ineffective -and criminal -technique like torture, you are behaving in a defiantly stupid manner that reduces you to the status of a war criminal. Beneath contempt.

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          3. itsfun December 12, 2014

            Like I said sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. These people torture innocent Americans, then cut their heads off. Being nice to them is not going to stop them. We must do whatever we need to defeat them. I believe it was Patton that said you don’t win a way by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other guy die for his country.

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          4. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

            If you win the battle and lose your soul what have you gained?

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          5. itsfun December 12, 2014

            I don’t know. No good answers to any of this. I just wonder if the report should have come out at all. I am concerned about the terrorists using this as a excuse to kill more innocents.

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          6. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

            They need excuse, they kill regardless. Getting the truth out won’t change anything except make us hold a mirror up in front of ourselves.

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          7. itsfun December 12, 2014

            Yep they will kill anyway. I just think the report was so slanted. They should have talked to someone in the CIA. Just talking to folks that agree with you leads to bad reports. If this staff had the results they wanted in their minds before writing the report, they would just cherry pick and what they wanted when doing the research. How can we tell how much is the truth when we are only allowed to see one side of the coin.

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          8. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

            They had 6 million pages of reports. We all know it was done and who made decided to do it. They can make all the excuses they want but it will not change the facts. They lied before to congress so what would make them tell the truth this time. Since once again no one will be punished anyway what difference does it make. It’s over and done.

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          9. itsfun December 12, 2014

            yep over and done, can you imagine reading 6 million pages of anything?

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          10. bobnstuff December 12, 2014

            Not just anything but government reports. Talk about torture. That’s 20,000 books at 300 pages each written in government report language.

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          11. Bren Frowick December 12, 2014

            Only a simple-minded fool believes that torture is a necessary arrow in the quiver for fighting terrorism, and only a simple-minded fool believes one can throw out ones principles and still have a nation worth fighting for. Nobody is advocating “being nice” to them. Only a simple-minded fool would allow such a doltish bit of nonsense to pass through their empty head. And this is what your hero Patton had to say about the use of torture: “I am frankly opposed to this war criminal stuff. It is not cricket and is Semitic. I am also opposed to sending POW’s to work as slaves in foreign lands, where many will be starved to death.” (The Patton Papers by Blumenthal)

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          12. itsfun December 12, 2014

            Only a simple minded fool would waste their time talking to a simple minded fool, so goodbye.

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          13. Bob Eddy December 12, 2014

            There is a whole big world between torture and being cuddled. in my opinion “Johnny did it do why.can’t we” is a juvenile response that most of us grew out of by the time we got to junior high.

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          14. itsfun December 12, 2014

            Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. This is not an enemy that is going to respect any words we use. They have a goal to kill all infidels and won’t be deterred by being nice to them.

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          15. idamag December 12, 2014

            And our parents never accepted “Johnny did it first” as a legitimate excuse.

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          16. Dominick Vila December 12, 2014

            I have been trying to make that point since this became an issue, with very little success in some quarters.

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          17. FT66 December 13, 2014

            Right, lowering ourselves at the level of terrorists, make people not being able to notice the difference.

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      2. idamag December 12, 2014

        I have a friend who will never like anyone of Japanese descent because her brother was in the Bataan Death March. You are right. We are quick to point the finger at others for that which we condone.

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  4. dtgraham December 12, 2014

    So I understand the Montana legislature is going to be hiring for a new position to keep a watchful eye on women’s butts, cleavage, and skirt lengths all day. Huh. Mmmmm. How do you apply for that?

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    1. TZToronto December 12, 2014

      I would hope that, given the disgust with which so many conservative view any form of government, that no money would be appropriated by the Republican legislature to pay for such a position. It should be voluntary; better yet, it should be filled by an unpaid intern!

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      1. Grannysmovin December 12, 2014

        Hopefully they will hire someone who can count at least to 10.

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        1. Independent1 December 12, 2014

          That may be hard to do from among conservatives who seem to be so eager to run our government – something virtually none of them knows anything at all about – including being so low IQ, that they’re lucky to be smart enough to remember how to sign their own name.

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        2. plc97477 December 12, 2014

          that means they will have to look to their dems to fill the job.

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      2. CripesAmighty December 14, 2014

        Nah, it’ll be put out for a no-bid contract–to be awarded as a seven-figure consultancy to the Majority Whip’s slow nephew. Private enterprise, market- based, blabla, dontchaknow

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    2. latebloomingrandma December 12, 2014

      The women should all turn up in a burka one day and see if that’s sufficient covering.

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      1. dtgraham December 12, 2014

        You’re ruining my job fantasy here latebloomin. Well, maybe if they all just came back from a wet burka competition or something.

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    3. plc97477 December 12, 2014

      Sounds like a dream job doesn’t it.

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  5. FT66 December 12, 2014

    The torture report has touched nerves of everyone. Some who are: sad; angry; embarrassed; tried to get any topic which can be said instead; some living abroad try to hide their nationality; some sacrificed their sleep the whole night reading the report; some instead of blaming those who carried the torture worked hard to blame those who released the report so they can get a little bit of comfort; some came forward quicky to defend forcefully what they did; some didn’t want anyone to use the word torture anywhere instead insisted we should use “interrogation tactics”. With all these, this goes to show how and unacceptable torture is.

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  6. The_Magic_M December 12, 2014

    Re: Peter King

    That’s the trouble with these people. Afraid and unable to openly admit and talk about mistakes, instead preferring to bury anything “unpleasant”. That’s not how a democracy/republic should work.

    If this guy were in charge in Germany, he’d probably tear down the Holocaust memorials and have Auschwitz covered with concrete because remembering the Shoah is just “self-loathing self-hatred” and “hate-Germany-first attitude”. *smh*

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    1. Whittier5 December 13, 2014

      The scary thing about Rep King is that he received his JD from Champion of Social Justice, Notre Dame, but the concept failed to penetrate.
      After graduating in 1968 at the height of the Viet Nam compulsory ‘volunteered’ army, he managed to land a position in the NY Natl Guard. But, he did Serve, unlike W, who dodged while “serving”.

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  7. Bren Frowick December 12, 2014

    Bachmann’s incoherent rant once again demonstrates more about her own appalling ignorance than anything in the real world. The words “In God We Trust” were made the national motto in 1956, most emphatically NOT by the Founding Fathers, who would have been outraged by the injection of religion in even such a token manner. And even more so by her bizarre lies about the Ten Commandments.

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    1. plc97477 December 12, 2014

      joe mccarthy had more to do with it than the founding fathers.

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  8. theoeke December 12, 2014

    United States laws are primarily based and derived from the English Customary Laws. Her ethical principles are also modelled along the English tradition. The great founders of this country painstakingly worked overtime to improve upon those English laws and tradition to comform to the ideals laid out in the preamble of the US Constitution…”That all men are created equall.” There is an implied understanding inherent that compels us to uphold the dignity, rights and to respect all human lives. By implication, America is expected to rise and stand tall with shoulders high over and above other nations. That we must honor and uphold without succombing to the whimsical pressures of vindictiveness or resorting to vile actions to extract some measures of revenge, is incumbent upon us. The expressed use of torture to obtain valuable information to use against our avowed enemies is not who we are and goes contrary against our personality. September 11, 2001 shall forever be imbeded in our memories as one the most horrific acts of war ever waged against us on our soil. There is no question about that. But we should not allow that henious act and the natural desire to avenge our losses to becloud our good sense of judgment.

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    1. Independent1 December 12, 2014

      “The expressed use of torture to obtain valuable information to use against our avowed enemies is not who we are and goes contrary against our personality. ” My sense and feelings would be exactly as you just stated.

      So I’m really disappointed to learn this morning via a Rasmussen Poll, that 69% of Americans would rather ‘look the other way’, than learn just how barbaric the actions of the CIA were back in the Bush years – which hopefully will help us prevent letting it happen again – than learn the barbaric truth. It’s really disturbing to me that millions of Americans seem to be OKAY with our government committing torture to ‘supposedly’ obtain good intelligence information; while they’re closing their eyes and ears to the fact that during all that torture – the CIA gained NO CREDIBLE INFORMATION THAT HELPED THEM PREVENT ONE TERRORIST ACTION!! And in fact, discarded information they gained which later proved false, and may well have helped them prevent or mitigate an attack.

      How can so many Americans be SO BLIND?? Not only to the torture issue, but also to the underlying crookedness of the GOP that is so pervasive????
      See this from the Rasmussen Polls:

      Friday, December 12, 2014

      Voters strongly believe it would have been better for Congress to keep the Central Intelligence Agency’s interrogation methods a secret if the disclosures put the American public at risk.

      Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Likely U.S. Voters believe it is more important to protect the safety of Americans from terrorist attacks whenever possible than for the public to know the full extent of how the CIA got its information. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 23% think it’s more important to publicly disclose the full extent of the CIA’s interrogation methods. (To see survey question wording,click here.)

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      1. plc97477 December 12, 2014

        Maybe gruber was right about the intellect of the American people.

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        1. Independent1 December 12, 2014

          What I’m wondering is, if millions of Americans have been desensitized to bad news like the Torture Report because of the GOP’s 24/7 fear mongering which makes every incident sound like a disaster. I think millions of Americans just don’t want to hear it anymore and therefore tune out as much of the negative messages as they can.

          Somehow, millions are not paying attention enough to hear: the CIA’s torture activities DIDN’T WORK; IT DID NOTHING TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE; THE CIA CONSTANTLY LIED TO CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC; SOME DETAINEES ACTUALLY DIED; and more.

          What the Rasmussen survey found is that American’s didn’t want to hear about what the government was doing in its efforts to keep them safe; they thought it was wrong for Congress to make them aware of what the CIA had done; they didn’t want to hear about it.

          It really sounds to me that millions of Americans are tired of hearing THE NEGATIVE. They clearly don’t want to feel pressured into making judgements, I think, because the 24/7 GOP propaganda machine is forcing them to make too many of those decisions already. Does this make sense???

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          1. plc97477 December 12, 2014

            And yet some of these same people scream bloody murder if the nsa is checking to see who is calling terror groups.

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          2. Independent1 December 12, 2014

            While totally ignoring the fact that Apple, Google, their phone company, the town they live in, numerous retailers and many others know far more about what they consider “their privacy” than NSA ever dreamed of. Anyone today who thinks they really have any privacy to be concerned about NSA knowing more about are living in la la land.

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          3. plc97477 December 13, 2014

            We are a nation of exhibitionists who have a problem with people watching us. Kinda seems a little confusing.

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          4. Independent1 December 13, 2014

            Yes. Although I’m not a fan of Facebook, we do have a number of folks in our family, who make every effort to post even very personal, family related events and issues constantly on Facebook. And it’s sometimes folks such as our family members, Americans who make everything they’re doing known via Facebook and Twitter – who are the people that complain the loudest about how NSA is invading their every private moment; when the’ve expose almost every intimate detail of their lives via social media – and have very little that’s really ‘private”.

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          5. idamag December 12, 2014

            Hitler knew to keep people scared and keep people angry and they could be controlled. He was also an expert in the use of torture.

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          6. angelsinca December 16, 2014

            Here we go with The Hitler Equivalency again (yawn). Genocide equals EIT? Must be errant influence of Common Core that causes the bad math.

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          7. angelsinca December 16, 2014

            Not desensitized. Since the report is an obvious politcal swipe, being published and released exclusively by democrats with an axe to grind, its release seems to be beneficial to those that gain politically from its release. And the terrorists. The LWNJs will get all killed, eventually.

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        2. Allan Richardson December 13, 2014

          H. L. Mencken said basically the same thing as Gruber: no one ever went broke UNDER-estimating the intelligence of the American people. Of course, in his day and ever since, it has been the RIGHT wing business and theocratic community which has exploited American stupidity. It’s like Jews voting for Hitler.

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      2. idamag December 12, 2014

        I grew up thinking Americans were better than torture and would not do that. It is a shock to find out they are not.

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  9. Buford2k11 December 12, 2014

    this crazy is thrust upon us by the corporate powers that enjoy unlimited power over folks like everyone mentioned above..

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  10. FT66 December 12, 2014

    I will never ever forget Michele Bachmann especially when she called ACA (Obamacare), DeathCare. She said:
    1) it kills women
    2) it kills children
    3) it kills senior citizens
    Of all the crazy people, she was leading them all.

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    1. dtgraham December 12, 2014

      Apparently it didn’t kill lunatics.

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    2. stcroixcarp December 12, 2014

      She will be replaced by a newly elected congressman from Wisconsin, Glenn Grothman.

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  11. Brenda Wheaton December 12, 2014

    There goes the queen of morons!

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    1. bobwms December 12, 2014

      I thought that Debbie Wasserman Schultz had that title all to herself, as she exemplifies the “Dumb Blonde” stereotype. And she has Mary Landreu second in command. Both of them appear to be dumber than a box of rocks. People who live in glass houses…

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      1. Brenda Wheaton December 12, 2014

        cant take the heat get out on all of them,lol

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        1. idamag December 12, 2014

          Intelligent people come on here with thoughts and ideas, dumb bullies with name calling of people who weren’t even the topic of the board. Just ignore them. They will never add anything for a person to ponder or think about.

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          1. angelsinca December 16, 2014

            Yeah, ponderous comments like ‘queen of morons’ is for the deep thinker.

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  12. mellowjohn December 12, 2014

    God gave Moses the Ten Commandments so that Americans could one day grow wealthy.”
    i thought coveting thy neighbor’s goods was the very basis of American capitalism.
    p.s. and don’t worry about “the girl with the far-away eyes” (h/t charlie pierce). as long as there’s a fox news, she’ll never lack for a platform.

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    1. Independent1 December 12, 2014

      It’s hard for me to imagine someone more misguided than Michele Bachmann. In trying to pretend that she knows something about religion, she proved completely that she not only doesn’t know anything about America and running our government – but she knows absolutely nothing with respect to how God expects us to live during our short time on earth.

      Given that God made it clear numerous times that we cannot love Mammon (money/worldly things) and God at the same time, Bachmann’s comment that you quoted about “God gave Moses the Ten Commandments so that Americans could one day grow wealthy” is clear evidence that Bachmann was playing right into the hands of Satan, not God.

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      1. idamag December 12, 2014

        How about: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the gates of Heaveb,” Or, when Jesus was asked what sin was, he gave the parable of the woman who lost a coin (talent) that she needed for bread. She swept the entire house until she found the talent. While the talent was lost, it was in sin because it was not doing that for which it was designed.

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        1. Independent1 December 13, 2014

          Yeah! Bachmann is clearly misguided if she really believes that God actually intentionally helps people get rich and fill their lives with worldly things like multiple cars and houses a la Mitt Romney; when he knows full well that wealth can so easily corrupt many people. Especially since He has clearly stated in many ways that the rich, especially those who languish in their richness, have already received their reward while here on this earth will not be accepted into Heaven.

          It’s not the fact of having money necessarily that’s the problem – it’s loving it (as Jesus’ brother James said in his letter: ‘The love of money is the root of all evil’); and then especially when reveling in ones wealth while continuously seeking for more – striving to fill ones life with more and more worldly things.

          But I’m sure there are those who have money but don’t flaunt it and misuse it; those who use it for purposes that are beneficial to others, are some wealthy that God may well overlook their wealth and accept them into Heaven.

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          1. Allan Richardson December 13, 2014

            Of course “those who have money … who use it for purposes that are beneficial to others” are the communists like George Soros and the Kennedy’s, right? Feel like explaining that to Comrade Jesus?

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  13. ExRadioGuy15 December 12, 2014

    Michele Bachmann is proof positive of one of the 10 Tenets of the GOP: insanity. She’s retiring because there’s a good chance that she’ll be indicted on federal charges regarding her comically failed Presidential run in 2011-2012…
    However, most media outlets are conflicted about her upcoming departure, including this one. Bachmann, whom I’ve nicknamed “Guano Loco” (batsh!t crazy), was a regular on TWIC. Good or bad, she’ll be missed LMAO

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  14. ExRadioGuy15 December 12, 2014

    What’s everyone’s favorite Bachmann comment?
    There are so many from which to choose LOL

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    1. plc97477 December 12, 2014

      Elvis’ birthday was my all time fave.

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    2. dtgraham December 12, 2014

      Favorite Bachman comment? I’m partial to, “the founding fathers worked tirelessly until slavery was no more.” I was willing to forgive a little timeline error of almost a century but then when she extended it to, “and until Hitler and the Berlin Wall were no more”, I thought that was stretching it a bit.

      She once said that “CO2 was a harmless gas.” I think she must start every day by inhaling it straight for 10-15 minutes. She figures it hasn’t killed her, so……

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      1. idamag December 12, 2014

        People with a CO2 retainer problem do get spacy and say weird things. The CO2 replaces the oxygen in their brains. It is poison to humans. I know because my spouse was a CO2 retainer and we had to call the ambulance more than once, because he had CO2 poisoning. She does sound like she has CO2 poisoning.

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    3. idamag December 12, 2014

      Is it “seventy-five percent of Congress is communist?”

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    4. Whatmeworry December 12, 2014

      We need the input of all 57 states…..ooops that was Barak

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      1. Daniel Max Ketter December 12, 2014

        We only input from the blue states. The red’s can go to heck in a handbasket

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      2. Independent1 December 15, 2014

        It’s pretty telling when RWNJs have to rely on a ‘slip of the tongue’ in their efforts to childishly try to criticize a president, like some 4th grade might do; while totally ignoring the fact that the president’s slip of the tongue came because he had been touring the country for several days in numerous ‘meet the public events’, trying to connect as best he could with the American public so that he could honestly understand the problems they were faceing.

        One thing many fail to give Obama credit for, is that he makes a far greater effort to actually get out and meet the American people so that he’s in a better position to know what their needs are and work to make changes that will make their lives better. Where virtually everyone of at least four of the last 5 GOP presidents spent hundreds more days ON VACATION in their 2nd and 3rd White Houses (which cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands to make ready to be a White House away from D.C) Obama has spent a large portion of the days these GOP presidents spent ON VACATION keeping in contact with the people he was elected to serve.

        It’s been quite a striking difference watchingsomeone who has really worked to understand the problems America faces so he can best serve the country and these other presidents who have worked more to do everything they could to better the lives of a small segment of America – those who already have more money than they should have ever needed. Which is on reason why, Obama has accomplished more over the past 6 years than all of the last 5 GOP presidents PUT TOGETHER!!!

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        1. Whatmeworry December 15, 2014

          Hardly a slip of the tongue its his lack of education that’s readily apparent.
          Playing golf and raising campaign funds is hardly meeting the American people. Just like having 70 separate meeting with Al Sharpton is nothing but more race baiting

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          1. Independent1 December 16, 2014

            And the meally mouthed pathological lying RWNJ just keeps on with his or her assininity:

            Barack Obama is light-years brighter than any of the 5 last GOP presidents. I have articles recorded with comments from a number of Obama’s Harvard professors; and virtually all of them state that Obama was one of the brightest law students they’d taught at Harvard. Obama graduated Magna Cum laude at Harvard, which means he had higher than average grades – unlike low IQ GWB who could barely maintain a 76 average at Yale.

            And few people wasted more time while in office than Nixon, Reagan and the 2 Bushes – all of WHOM spent hundreds more days SUPPOSEDLY ON VACATION, at their White Houses AWAY FROM WASHINGTON (where Bush spent almost 900 days of his 8 years in office – hunting, playing golf, clearing brush, partying at his Texas Ranch – taking 78 round trip rides in Air Force One – spending more taxpayer dollars on just those 78 round trips than Obama has spent on vacations in all his 149 days vaction (presidents basically pay for everything themselves on vacation except for the costs of getting themselves and their security details from Washington to their vacation spot and Back) And Obama has taken far less than 1/2 the round trip flights that Bush did – just going to his Texas Ranch.

            And Reagan and Nixon were not a great deal different- In fact, Nixon had 2 White Houses away from Washington – one in Miami and a ranch in California like Reagan. So when they took vacation trips EVERYONE ONE OF THOSE TRIPS COST BIG BUCKS!!

            While in contrast, many of Obama’s vacations have been to Martha’s Vinyard which has cost taxpayers far less in travel expenses.

            And here’s just a little excerpt from an article I came across which includes some feedback from one of Obama’s professors, which proves that Rush Limbaugh is nothing more than a VERY LOW IQ PATHOLOGICAL LYING RWNJ!!!!!!!!

            In 2010, Limbaugh claimed:

            I think this is the first time in his life that there’s not a professor around to turn his C into an A, or to write the law review article for him he can’t write. He is totally exposed. There is nobody to make it better. I think he’s been covered for, all his life.At the time, I asked Harvard professors to respond to these charges.

            Laurence Tribe wrote to me, “The allegation is absurd. Obama earned every one of his enormously high grades. ‘Affirmative action’ had nothing to do with his success there. He was the most impressive student and research assistant I have taught in my 40 years at Harvard.”

            Charles Fried, a Harvard Law Professor who served as Solicitor General during the Reagan Administration, wrote, “It’s paranoid nonsense. Grading is anonymous by a randomly generated exam number and it takes a vote of the faculty to change a grade.”

            Limbaugh, the man who flunked out of Southeast Missouri State due to his laziness and intellectual failings, obviously doesn’t understand what “magna cum laude” means or anything about academia.

            But Limbaugh’s attacks on Obama are more than just intellectual jealousy and ignorance about higher education. It’s hard not to see racism when a white dropout accuses a black man with academic honors of receiving preferential treatment based on race, despite clear proof of the contrary. And as I document in my book, The Most Dangerous Man in America: Rush Limbaugh’s Assault on Reason, Limbaugh has repeatedly made racist comments about Obama. When Limbaugh declares that Obama got fake grades at Harvard and dismisses him as a beneficiary of affirmative action, he’s not just lying; Limbaugh is also trying to provoke racist feelings among his audience.

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          2. Whatmeworry December 16, 2014

            Ford motors refused to automatically promote white males like myself because of the coloreds and Sharptons. Thats my axe

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          3. Wildkitty December 18, 2014

            Are you suggesting that Sharpton IS NOT black?
            And YES – you grind your ‘axe’ in all your comments. You are obviously are VERY insecure in your own skin!

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          4. <Whatmeworry is Dan M Ketter December 18, 2014

            I’m such a stud! Sorry ladies, I’m taken!

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          5. Wildkitty December 18, 2014

            My CONDOLENCES to your lay!

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          6. Whatmeworry December 17, 2014

            They have said he was 1 of the brightest BLACK students they had. Remember Barak was a quota admission to every college he applied to and Harvard was no exception.
            Having taught College level courses I can tell you that blacks are graded on a curve and that if 60% of whites get an A then 60% of blacks MUST receive an A regardless of ability

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          7. Independent1 December 17, 2014

            When you lie, you really like to lie!! EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID IS A GROSS FABRICATION!!

            NOT ONE WORD OF IT IS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!

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          8. Whatmeworry December 18, 2014

            Truth hurts doesn’t it

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          9. Wildkitty December 18, 2014

            So what do you think about the far right wing black Justice of the Supreme Court and HIS achievements after being part of affirmative action at Yale?

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          10. Whatmeworry December 18, 2014

            Sharpton and Jessi Jackston got him appointed to the Supreme Court is all. He probably hangs out with Barak at basketball games

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          11. Wildkitty December 18, 2014

            That answers my question. Thank you!
            YOU obviously have no idea who Justice Thomas is!

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          12. Whatmeworry December 18, 2014

            He’s the colored guy on the bench

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          13. <Whatmeworry is Dan M Ketter December 19, 2014

            He’s the colored guy on the bench

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          14. Whatmeworry December 18, 2014

            He’s never denied it. And he has said quotas are a bad idea and need to end

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          15. Daniel Max Ketter December 16, 2014

            Huh?

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          16. Wildkitty December 18, 2014

            Just a YOU are doing wit that comment!

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          17. Whatmeworry December 18, 2014

            English not ebonics

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  15. plc97477 December 12, 2014

    I don’t think we need say bye to michelle so soon. She will still be able to use her mouth and will still say things that will put her in the running for “this week in crazy”.

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  16. Charles Winter December 12, 2014

    I can understand why Republicans belittle the tours report. Little things that we call torture are just part of their morning exercises. Real torture, for them, is having to pay taxes.

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    1. idamag December 12, 2014

      Very good.

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    2. Allan Richardson December 13, 2014

      Torture for them is for THEM to pay taxes. For US to pay taxes, and not get our money’s worth in public services, is no big deal to them.

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    3. angelsinca December 20, 2014

      Real torture for our liberal friends is a dying smart phone battery.

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  17. Whittier5 December 13, 2014

    Michele once again demonstrated the depths of her crazy ignorance. One simply has to wonder how she was ever re-elected by the good Citizens of MN’s 6th District. What is the water in their MN lakes? TCP? LSD? Loco weed?

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  18. Wedge Shot December 15, 2014

    May they all be tortured with methods they say are not torture.
    Goodbye Michele may God give you a brain that can think and not the one you have with which you just sit in the corner and play.

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  19. Zed Power December 17, 2014

    If someone supports spying on citizens, torturing those who
    could be terrorists, and murdering unarmed black men, also claims to having
    prayed before coming to believe in these things, isn’t such a person a Satan
    worshiping Nazi war criminal? What else could you pray to that would tell you
    that you could jam food up someone’s behind because that’s what (insert deity
    here) would do?

    If you are truly a righteous person isn’t the question of whether or not
    torture works beside the point? If whatever you pray to never asks you to do
    moral things in a right, moral and just way you are praying to Satan—Just like those ISIS Jihadists.

    http://www.firehow.com/2014121739494/how-to-know-if-it-is-better-to-eat-fetuses-or-torture-terrorists.html

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