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just because laws did not prevent theft and embezzlement absolutely we do not repeal those laws.
@ Raman…Nice, head in the sand does not remedy anything!
Unfortunately, no laws will prevent horrific tragedies like this one. But when society signals that it is willing to regulate actions of people who are doing dangerous activities like driving (i.e., you have to pass a driving test and prove that you own a particular vehicle) or gun ownership then at least we don’t stand back and say “It’s part of our culture” or “We can enforce the laws ourselves by putting more guns in the hands of unregistered gun owners”. I have read some time ago that the rise of syndicated crime is strongly connected to easy travel by car from one major city to another. We still have syndicated crime, but we also have a common sense approach to the safety aspect of car ownership. Removing the types of military weaponry that are designed for the most efficient elimination of human life from the public at large is no different than requiring seat belts or designing cars that have crush points that absorb some of the damage to the occupants in a car. None of these actions stop criminals from carrying out acts of violence against other innocent people, but it sure does take us from the “helpless victim” to a society that does not condone this type of activity by a paralysis of fear.
True, the trick is to define laws that make sense.
“I am the NRA” – and his mother was an advocate for this incomprehensible tragedy…why in God’s name did she keep these weapons available to a child that she knew had severe social and mental problems? WHY?
Too much familiarity. That is why physician do not treat their relatives, lawyers don’t represent their brothers/sisters etc. Emotional distance is so short that any sense of real danger/self-delusion can be lost.
Plus, we humans have an infinite capacity to kid ourselves.
She probably fought with him over the weapons, she would have reported him so he killed her. If my kid came to my house and took one of my guns, I would probably say ” what are you doing” it would be to late.
He is a rat and so was his mother that kept guns at her home, and she must have known she had a nut for a son.
Adam Lanza was a disturbed young man who did what he did, not because he was evil or enraged or pathalogical. He was a child with Aspergers syndrome, and he should have never had the opportunity to use a weapon, especially one like the Bushmaster. Unfortunately, our mental health system is not adequately staffed to handle people with Adam’s capabilities or needs. His mother felt exposing him to guns would teach him responsibility, a very noble and worthy goal. However,to someone who is not able to process the consequences of such an act as Adam’s, the worthiness of the gesture is lost.
Obviously his mother was mistaken in her thinking and now 26 people are dead. Trying to teach him responsibilty by buying semi-automatic weapons sounds like trying to teach an obese child how to eat properly by giving him a lifetime pass to McDonalds. It wasn’t very noble and proved to be unworthy. His mother bares a good deal of the blame for this horrible incident.
I think the American society generally is very tolerant of the worst of tragedies.
The massacre of innocent children in Connecticut suburb elementary school,calls for a deeper serious thought,by all good meaning people for a drastic action against gun ownership,use and control.
President Obama and Americans must act now,may the LORD give each and every legislator the wisdom and courage to act in the best interest of society,our hearts bleed for this tragedy,may God give the families of the deceased the fortitude to bear the loss of their loved ones,Amen.
We must paint the NRA as the losers they really are, so weak individually that they must worship death by cowards and mentally deranged people. Fat, stupid and vacuous with no personal redeeming qualities they believe that a gun will endow them with the qualities they lack. Just like the worship of an erect penis they think a Kalshnikov assault weapon makes them virile and virtuous and masculine. Making the killer of 20 infants their poster boy will show them what kinds of misfits and miscreants they really are inside. Courage, wisdom and virtue comes from inside and cannot be bestowed from such things as how many people can be killed before having to end your own miserable life. Would Jesus have owned a Bushmaster or even touched one? Get serious about your values (or lack thereof) and work for human betterment through good works and compassion for all living things, not death.
Well said. Nobody truly said he was mentally ill or have any mental disorder including his own aunt who lives in Crystal Lake, IL. Guy was just a loner and obviously he had some issues but not mental. He planned this thing for a while. Consider this – he damaged his hard drive , he planned to take as many as possible with him and he did. I have no idea why some people claim that always mentally challenged people do these horrible things. Timothy McVeigh wasn’t mentally ill nor Nicholson. Good thing that he did kill himself, otherwise our very incompetent justice system would commit him to a hospital on our dime for only God knows how long or will be in prison for life with us supporting his sorry butt.
It cost more to house an inmate than educate a child.
Did we ever heard any schools shootings in the Middle East, Europe, Australia??
Only in America.
If, as has been already claimed, Adam Lanza was autistic?Aspergers, he definitely had some issues that should have kept him away from guns. My son is autistic, and a dear friend of ours has an Aspergers son – I would not let either one of them near a gun.
As for the US being the only place in the world with such mass killings of school children, you need to re-examine your facts. One occurred in Scotland a few years back, and one also in Australia. In both cases, the uproar over gun control was so widespread and massive that both countries almost immediately enacted genuinely meaningful legislation that has made it very unlikely such events will ever happen again. Since Columbine, however, how many have there been in this country? The day Obama went to Newtown, CT to speak to the people of that forlorn town he kept a running total of how many shootings were occurring around the country. None were mass shootings, but there were at least six or seven shootings, nonetheless, most having nothing to do with drugs. Since 1999, when Columbine was devastated, there has been, on average, one mass shooting at least every six months. Will we be able to look at Newtown and say “Enough!”? Or will we, as in the past, allow the special interests like NRA dictate our national conscience?
And now…. the REAL Cartoon of the Day!
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“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell
Go Back You Moron
Tell me, how does it feel to be on the wrong side of everything going on in this world?
Are you a gun owner? Are you open to a constructive suggestion on what to do with one of them? Come on, play with us.
I bet you even own a “kiddie killer assault weapon” just because it makes you feel “manly.”
You can not expect any rational logic from OMG or some of the others writing on this website. Any attempt to have a sane conversation about this gun issue brings out the platitudes – Guns don’t kill, people do”, “If we take guns away from people only the bad guys will have them”, “I need them to protect by myself from the black hellicopters. the Federal troops, etc.” and on and on.
Just saw NRA’s chief fanatic La Pierre. He looked and sounded like a carp someone had just thrown on the shore. If this was their leader, no wonder the NRA doesn’t have a clue of the damage and deaths they have fostered.
I foresee a sale ban of those assault weapons, expensive permits required to own, and finally either forced or voluntary confiscation. Remember you saw it here first. This from an acquaintance at the Justice Department who says government is actually scared over how many of these things are out there. Like he said, “more small weapons fire power than our armed forces.” Think about that and it does get scary as hell.
Bozo you never fail to make me laugh. You may need to read some real history to realize that none of those portrayed in the poster wanted gun control. Nobody wants to take a way your guns unless they are the semi-automatic guns or rifles with the high capacity clips. You will say it’s your right to own these weapons but tell us why you need them, it’s not for hunting or target shooting.
As for the quotes you do know that Orwell believed in democratic socialism so I find it ironic that you would quote someone who beliefs are conrary to yours.
Bill, it’s actually none of your or anyone else’s damned business why I own whatever guns I own or don’t own. The burden is NOT on me to tell you why I need a particular gun, the burden is on you to tell me why I am not allowed to have a particular gun or how many rounds it can hold. I’m sure you have not read this in a while, but here is my gun permit:
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” – The 2nd Amendment
Tell my what “shall not be infringed” means, please.
You are dead wrong when you say that none of those tyrants wanted gun control. Are you blind, Bill? How do you think tyrants take over their countries? Through peaceful, democratic measures in many cases where they have convinced people to give up their guns over time. It’s the first step at instituting a dictatorship. See the pic below with a quote from Hitler on the topic. Look it up yourself.
And you are wrong about Orwell. Clearly, his book 1984 was the antithesis of socialism.
Merry Christmas, Bill!
“There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.” — Charles de Montesquieu
What well-regulated militia are you a member of, OMG? Stalin didn’t have to take away the people’s guns. They were too poor to afford them. The rebellion succeeded because the proletariat persuaded the army to join their side. Without their army, the bourgeois were outnumbered. To keep harping on the subject of protecting yourself against your own government smacks of paranoia, OMG. In the first place, there has been no proposal to take away all your weapons. If you are proposing that we should all be allowed to have military-grade weaponry to protect us from our government, what is your plan? I hope you aren’t espousing the violent overthrow of the government. That is definitely against the laws of this country. It’s one thing to be wary of a situation. Quite another to be planning for an armed assault against something that hasn’t even presented itself yet. And if you are planning to go deer hunting with your military assault weapon and extended ammo clips, please let us know where you will be hunting — so we can avoid the area.
I just thought I would lob some of your “grenades” back at ya’
Have a great day!
“Every monarch keeps on a war footing all the troops which he might need in case his people were in danger of being exterminated, and this state of tension, of all against all, is called peace.” — Montesquieu (from The Heretic’s Handbook of Quotations)
Now I know you would put a different slant on the meaning of that quote than I do. But I like my slant better.
Good morning, Metro! The fact is that I am not now planning, nor can I forsee a need to overthrow the government. Such talk is nonsense and you know it. Besides, we kind of overthrow the government every 4 years at the ballot box as it should be. But I will also say that the fact that American’s are armed is certainly a deterrent against tyranny or attack. It’s why the Japs decided to scrap their plans to invade the west coast of America. Because behind every tree and bush would be another gun. It’s true. Look it up.
And I do hunt with a high power, semi-automatic rifle with a 4 round clip. I can put a buck down at ab0ut 400 yards, no problem. Only in wilderness areas though. In less rural areas, I’ll use one of my shotguns. I have even killed a deer with a handgun, 9mm glock, about 20 years ago. That was hard because you have to get very close to the deer to do it.
The modern form of Montesquieu’s quote can be summed up as “mutually assured destruction” as a means of keeping the peace, don’t you think?
Merry Christmas, Metro!
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” – Thomas Jefferson
I have no doubt you can hit a deer at 400 yards. But, I notice you use a 4-round clip. And that’s fine with me. If you haven’t hit a deer at 400 yards with four shots, the deer will be well out of range. I never used anything but a .30-.30 Winchester lever action for deer hunting. Most of the time the shot was no more than 100 yards. My hunting partner had a .300 Weatherby that damn near blew out my eardrums when he fired at a deer when he was standing about 6 feet to my left. But, hunting in the Minnesota woods, it wasn’t all that great because high speed bullets also tend to be easily deflected. So the next weekend he brought his .12 gauge shotgun and deer slugs. The only shot he had was about 400 yards across a clearing. A study in frustration. But it was great for hunting elk in Wyoming. I never hunted anything but the bullseye on a target or an empty beer can on a fence post with a handgun. I would be difficult to shoot a deer with one. You must be good at sneaking up close to them and shoot them execution-style. For varmint hunting (squirrels, jackrabbits) I had a .22 automatic and for ducks and pheasants, a .12 gauge pump. So, you see, I have no interest in banning guns. But I see no reason for assault-type weapons with expanded ammo clips. Hunting is supposed to be a sport. The animals should have at least a sporting chance of evading the hunter. And I could fire enough rounds with my .12 gauge pump or my lever-action .30-.30 or my .22 automatic to discourage most thieves, thugs or deranged people. And I was a pretty good shot. I did have a little .25 pistol, semi-auto, but Mrs. Metro didn’t like it around the house, so I believe her son has it now. I never got to shoot any bad guys with it anyhow.
In Re: Montesquieu, I’m not sure if he was being serious or ironic with that quote.
Re: T. Jefferson, agreed, when the people fear their government there is tyranny. But I don’t fear the government. They just piss me off! And I don’t know of anyone of principle who says I can take up arms against my government if they piss me off! But if the time comes when they become tyrants, I will, reluctantly to be sure, take up arms against them.
In the meantime I will remain vigilant.
Have a Great Christmas and my your New Year be even greater.
Looks like you’ve had your days in the wood, eh Metro! Are you now hunting coyotes in AZ? With an ACME gun? hehehehe
I gotta run. Christmas parties and family stuff until next Wednesday. May not have much time to come on and throw a few grenades around.
Merry Christmas to you and your family, Metro! Give Mrs. Metro my best. [wink]
“You crack me up, Metro.” — ObozoMustGo
Read a world history book and see where your statements are pure bs. The pic you show doesn’t prove anything. Years ago some statement attributed to Hitler was proved to be not true. Show me a statement from a history book that has this quote. Anyone can make up these pics.
I think I hit a bit of a chord with wanting to know why you would need to have a semi-automatic weapon. I was merely wondering why someone wants to have this type of gun. Didn’t think it would upset you so much. I guess I will have to guess why you have this need. Along with your gas guzzling truck (you wrote about recently so I know you have one) and guns you must have some issues about your masculinity that you need these toys.
When the 2nd amendment was written they only had single shot rifles, nothing like the weapons of death like today. I know ” guns don’t kill people kill” well these types of weapons facilitate the amount of death inflicted.
As for Orwell you need to read more than 1984, read Animal Farm, Homage to Catalonia and a biography. He was agianst totalitarianism and he had a belief in democratic socialism. You need to read more than quotes.
You can own any guy that is legal but my question is WHY does anyone need a semi-automatic weapon with a high capacity clip?
Bill, people own semi-auto guns because they want them. That’s all you need to know. It’s an issue of liberty.
Bozo you know that it’s has nothing to do with liberty. You want to own these guns because you feel like a real man when you hold that gun. There is no real need to have semi-automatic weapons and high capacity clips but I know it’s your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to own one.
Also I know you are protecting your freedom with your guns and you keep talking about the gov’t coming after people when the guns are banned. Do you think you are safe from the gov’t if they want to came after you.? With all your guns you still wouldn’t stand a chance
You keep quoting people who held or hold a philosophy that is the total opposite of yours – de Tocquville, Orwell and now Jefferson.
Here’s a quote for you
Well I headed back to the Borderland
When the homeguard when insane
No use trying to work with peoplew ho can’t tell fire from rain. – JD Gilmore
That’s you Bozo, you see conspiracies where there are none. Enjoy your guns and your own little bubble of a world.
Good Morning and Merry Christmas, OB1. Don’t you think you are going off the deep end with your cartoons? Sorry, while I appreciate your point of view at times, I think your comparisons are way way off the mark…Hope you have a great day and come to some accord with reality.
Hi Puxy! Thank you and Merry Christmas to you, as well.
In response, I’d say that my cartoons make effective points. And the comparison is not as far off as you think. You see, each of those depicted in the picture, save Castro, were democratically elected. Each of them banned gun ownership, save Obozo so far, before they unleashed their murderous intent on their people. Once the people are disarmed, it’s easy to get them to comply with whatever you want.
Our founders knew this and specifically said that our right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed. End of story. It’s not about hunting. It’s about defense of self and property AND defense against the march of tyranny. Any attempts at gun control are little steps toward tyranny. I know you’ll say that I am over reacting, but you must understand that little steps are almost imperceptible and they are ALWAYS sold to you as being good for you, making you safer. You don’t think this pattern has repeated itself before in history? Of course it has. And Obozo is just following the same old pattern as they all did. Does that mean Obozo will ban guns and march 30 million Christians into the gas chambers? Probably not likely. But once the road is paved, history suggests that chances are better than 9 in 10 that some tyrant in the future will march down that road and disastrous consequences will be paid. The history of mankind is NOT a history of freedom nad liberty, Puxy. you know that. Why are we somehow different?
Merry Christmas, my friend! Have wonderful holiday season.
“Every nation that has ended in tyranny has come to that end by way of good order. It certainly does not follow from this that peoples should scorn public peace, but neither should they be satisfied with that and nothing more. A nation that asks nothing of government but the maintenance of order is already a slave in the depths of its heart; it is a slave of its well-being, ready for the man who will put it in chains.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville
The national memo paints a silly picture of any one that does not bow to their socialistic anti American propaganda. Members of the NRA are strong enough to fight for the right to keep and bear arms. A constitutional right that gives a person the means to protect themselves from a totalitarian government. The type of oppressive government that will make slaves of everyone they govern. The very type that you advocate.
When the constitution was written, it was you can keep your musket! That’s ok with me. But my right to life trumps a gun owners right to own an assult weapon.
Hi grammy! I hope you are well and enjoying your NH winters.
Question: Does your right to life trum someone else’s right to own a knife? Or a baseball bat? According to FBI crime stats, a baseball bat is the most common weapon used in assualt.
One more question: Does your right to life trump an unborn person’s right to life? Hmmmmmmmmm……….
Merry Christmas, Grammy! Send my regards to Mr. Grammy, too.
With this one you were trying to push my buttons. Didn’t work. Since you don’t know me that well, I’ll tell you a story. When I was 21, eons ago, I got pregnant. About two months later I got a life threatening kidney infection. By the time the doctors could confirm I was pregnant they had decided that I needed a transplant to save my life. To do that I would have to abort the baby. That baby turned 33 in Oct. But you see, putting my life on the line was MY choise. Not some ding dong with an assault weapon. Or a baseball bat. The doctors didn’t agree with me at the time, but by the time Jarad was born, my kidneys were getting better on their own. Lost the right one three years ago, cancer. But we are both doing ok.
Hi Grammy! Actually, I wasn’t pushing your buttons personally. You know I love you Grammy, don’t you? Rather, I was posing some questions that go to the more broad values of our culture by pointing out the hypocrisy and absolute illogical arguments against our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. It’s not guns that kill people, it’s people that kill people… and they will do it with whatever they can get their hands on. One other point, you’re the only other person besides me that I know that has a son named Jarad with that same spelling. Most spell it Jarrod. Congratulations to you, as well. I am happy to see that you are well today, Grammy.
Merry Christmas, and may God bless you and your family!
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” – Milton Friedman in an interview with Richard Heffner
As I’ve said, it’s not all guns. It’s the ones that are designed for only one purpose, kill as many people as fast as you can. And yes there is a person involved, but if said person cannot get his/her hands on one of those guns, then just maybe some would have a chance. Someone might be able to get ‘em with a ball bat while they are reloading. Hope you and yours had a great Christmas!
Grammy… the best way to get a killer is to shoot him before he even gets to the point where he needs to reload. Besides, like I said, it takes less than a second to change a clip. If you are no armed, the distance between you and the shooter will prevent any baseball bat charge at him. The logical thing to to do is to have other law abiding citizens armed. The real danger to America is the politicians, Grammy, not guns.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Grammy!
“No man’s life, liberty, or property is in so much danger as when the legislature is in session.” – Mark Twain
Sweetheart, the logical thing is to make sure that guy can’t get a gun to begin with! If he can’t get a gun he can’t shoot anyone. And as I said, I prefer knives. Much quieter. And I can usually get a running target from 25 yards. Wouldn’t kill ‘em but they would hurt like hell.
Questions for you….. How you gonna do that, Grammy? How do you preserve the liberties of the people AND somehow keep people from getting guns? Further, how do you keep a person from wielding a machete in a shopping mall killing as many as he can when everyone else is defenseless? How do you keep a person from making a bomb and detonating it in a crowded theater or school or event with thousands of people or a bus or a train? How exactly do you create a police state so restrictive that nothing bad will ever happen because you have passed enough laws to control every aspect of life for all people?
How do you create such a Utopia, Grammy?
Happy New Year!
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin
This cartoon is about as bad as those ones Obozo posts up here comparing Obama to Hitler and Stalin. Equating the NRA with this psychotic piece of garbage is ridiculous and extreme. NRA members are not homicidal maniacs because they believe in the 2nd Amendment. By the way, this big push for a renewed ban on the sale of assault weapons is having the exact opposite of the intended effect – take a look at the gun sales recently: through the roof because so many people want to stock up before they are no longer available through legit channels. Banning the sale of weapons won’t change the fact that so many of those weapons are already out there, and as soon as you start talking about going door to door to take people’s guns away, you’re really going to have a fight on your hands.
Buyback programs are working pretty well. Camden NJ got over 1500 guns off the street last weekend.
AP… my cartoons comparing Obozo to Hitler and Stalin are much more accurate, except you guys tend to think the comparison is the murder of milliions. In reality, the comparison is in ideology. Clearly, Obozo has Marxist leanings as did Hitler and Stalin to one degree or another. Listen to his rhetoric. It’s the modern day equivalent of the preletariat vs. the bourgeois. In that manner, my comparisons are highly accurate.
Look at this way: Obozo has much more in common with, say, Hugo Chavez than he does with George Washington, or Jefferson, or Madison.
“My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s going be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody, and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” — Barack Hussein Obozo
As I said before, my right to life trumps your right to own an assult weapon. And when it was written it meant your musket. So, go ahead and keep your musket, but you have no need to own something that is only used to kill the maxium amount of people in the smallest amount of time. You may be a very responsible gun owner but the jerk that breaks into your house and steals it won’t be.
I am an NRA supporter and have been for years.
Adam Lanza is NOT a poster boy for the NRA, never has been, and never will be.
Someone photoshopped that photo just to simply make the NRA look bad.
NRA people do have redeeming qualities. And that is what makes them good people.
The NRA members would never condone the killing of innocent people, or anyone for that matter.
Unless it was an open and shut case of self-defense where the innocent victim of the criminal
had no other choice.
As for the shooting at Sandy Hook, if there had been a permitted, licensed, trained and certified
school administrator, teacher, etc. with a firearm present that day.
That tragedy would not of happened, or at least would not have been as bad.
Because the 20 year old man Adam Lanza, would of been shot in self-defense by that
School administrator, especially if they were an NRA member.
The NRA simply defends everyones Constitutional 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms
as our founding forefathers intended. So “We the People”, have the arms we need to guarantee
that we keep and defend our freedoms as American Citizens, if the day ever comes that our own
government turns on us and tries to take away all of our Constitutional rights and freedoms,
and enslave us all.
The NRA is not a bunch of killers that want to carry guns just so we can go around shooting
innocent people, like the media makes us out to be. That is simply not true.
We do NOT condone the killing of innocent people, men, women, children, etc.
So before any of you critisize the NRA, take the time to go to their website, read their magazine,
etc. and learn about them, and their mission, instead of believing the lies in the media.
By the way, as for his mother. She did not give him the guns, she had them out of reach of him,
but he managed to steal them from her, then shot her in the face, steal her car, went to the school, ignored the “Gun-free zone” signs, and shot all those innocent people.
The gun is just an inanimate tool, it cannot and will not hurt anyone until some deranged person
picks them up and uses them to hurt innocent people.
By the way, my deepest and sincerest heartfelt blessings, prayers, and condolences go out to
everyone affected by that horrific tragedy, especially the victims themselves.
May God bless and be with all of them. Amen.
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